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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (52 children)

So many empty hateful comments here miss the fact that 70 years ago was 70 years ago, and since then a whole new generation of people are living in the region. Israelies who don't feel obligated to have Israel but don't want anti-Semitism abroad, and palestinians who don't mind staying where they were born, inside the 48 borders, but want a decent live inside of it. No leader from any place on earth is working towards them. Israeli leaders want the whole country for themselves, and Palestinian leaders also want the whole land for themselves. Neither is plausible without serious loss of life. So stop being so one-sided and actually acknowledge there are two sides to this conflict, and that all parties are reaponsible. Israel would give anything in the world to have peaceful rulers in Gaza.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (27 children)

So stop being so one-sided and actually acknowledge there are two sides to this conflict, and that all parties are reaponsible.

I find comments like this frustrating.

There may be two sides, but there's only one side with an actual military and nukes and only one side running an apartheid. The only reason people aren't referring to Israel as a terrorist state (which they are) is that they're destroying hospitals with bombs dropped from planes and shooting news reporters with guns held by soldiers in military uniforms.

The other side has no military, has been blockaded for sixteen years, is terrorized and killed at will without recourse, and isn't actually allowed to leave.

What makes Israel the criminal here is the power they wield and how they've chosen to use it.

So sure, yeah, there are two sides, yes, but the two sides are very, very different.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The Palestine vs Israel argument is a legitimate one that needs to be addressed.

However, Hamas is nothing more than a terrorist organization that uses the struggles of the Palestinians to stay in power much like how the Israeli government often does the same to their own people.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No, Hamas is palestines only means of fighting their oppressors. The US has made military conflict impossible for Palestine to win, and so they resort to harming whichever Israeli they can find.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Who are the oppressors? Israel left the area in 2006

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Bro, Israel literally dictates how many calories and ounces of water go into Gaza, in order to keep them just above starvation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They would not have to control it if there weren't terrorists inside.

In addition, how is it possible that whilst israel managed to build systems for desalination, Gaza managed to build a complete dependence on others?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You have that backwards, there would not be terrorists in Gaza if not for Israeli oppression. And that happened because Israel destroyed everything Gaza built.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Really? Israel left gaza in 2006. They left there farms, etc. In addition, Gaza received billions in support and all they managed to do it stealing it and creating bombs which they shoot at Israel.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Israel has been laying siege to Gaza for 30 years. Claiming they left is wildly ignorant of reality. Israel limits the number of calories going in, to keep Gazans at near starvation levels. Israel has also prevented any public works from being made. They literally bombed every bakery in Gaza.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There were literally billions sent to Gaza in last 10 or so years and still it’s one of the most hostile places in the world. In addition, they had 70 years to form a state that can keep its citizens alive.

Today there is a war there, so logically both sides are doing atrocities that create a humanitarian crisis. One side takes hostages, other responds with limited water supply. This is unfortunately the truth when it comes to living during a war.

In addition, how would you expect participants in a war to be kind to each other?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Billions sent in military aid to Israel, to be clear. Which they use in Gaza. What part of "oppressed by Israel" do you not understand? You may as well say the black people in the American south had 200 years to form a state to protect themselves.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

To be honest, I do not know how Gaza is oppressed by Israel. Unlike black people, Gaza has a land where it can form the state. Obviously if it was not lead by terrorists and accepted a compromise.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Israel rations how much water and how many calories they allow into Gaza, in order to keep them just above starvation. They blackmail sick Gazans for info, and their trip to the specialist doctor is denied if they don't. The border security is so heavy that hospitals require 6 different ambulances to travel 2 miles, and it takes hours. Literally the better question is "can somebody name a way in which gaza is NOT oppressed by Israel?" Because I'm not sure there are any.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The question is why Gaza does not build farms when their population starves?

Neighbors of my country provide us with zero calories and electricity. We have to build farms and use the land, so our population has energy snd does not starve. Why can't Gaza do the same?

Border security would not have to be so heavy if there were no terrorists 🤷

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Because Israel destroys the farms and water plants they build. There are only terrorists because Israel is destroying their farms and water plants. Please learn to do your own research on stuff, you shouldn't need people like me to correct you when you confidently post false things online.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I believe it’s the other way around when Hamas stole pipes and stuff from former Israeli's farms and built rockets.

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