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I posted "On Authority" in the westolefto community
The response "i ain't reading all that tankie shit"
Why do westoleftos think they're experts on dem ebil tankies all of a sudden

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

It isn't. It is a concise demonstration of the analytical bankruptcy of Utopian politics. Not surprising, coming from the guy who literally wrote the pamphlet on Utopian and scientific flavors of socialism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I just finished reading it, and I think I can say my feelings on it with more certainty.

It is absolutely a bad refutation when misused. It is a refutation of specific, radlib strains of left-adjacent thought, not of anarchism itself. The only reason I specify anarchism is because “anti-authoritarianism” is completely and utterly meaningless, a vague gesture on removing an entire facet of natural human behavior, while anarchism is a committed opposition to a specific form of political organization.

The fact that the pamphlet often is useful as a refutation of self-described “anarchists” isn’t because it is an effective tool for debunking anarchism, but because the majority of self-described anarchists have put zero effort into analyzing things and actually have no concrete political beliefs.

I think, counter-intuitively, the solution might be to focus on anarchist tendencies more. By temporarily adopting a “Utopian” mindset, tempered and viciously sharpened with a constant awareness of materialism and the concrete reality of class, we could create a new breed of anarchism that’s more resistant to liberal intrusions, and more willing to work with actually existing socialism, while still maintaining it’s utopian moral principle.

I’m not suggesting this because I agree with utopian or anarchist beliefs, but because I think that the fundamental desires that feed into the inclination towards anarchism are valid, and will still lead to correct conclusions if tempered with a connection to materialism. Instead of denying their initial goals, we should instead point out to anarchists what actually achieves them

Half of this comment probably sounds completely insane. I am tired.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

anarchism is a committed opposition to a specific form of political organization

which one?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

leaving aside for a moment whether the state is actually a specific form of political organization, i don't know where you are that you are finding anarchists that are specifically and only against that. every single one i have talked to in my years of left leaning organizing have been against the state as a particularly bad example of some overarching principle, such as authority or hierarchy.