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it's not the responsibility of voters to vote for certain politicians, it's the responsibility of the politicians to represent people so they vote for them.
if you think joe biden is gonna lose then you gotta force joe biden to take more popular positions (he is literally running right now it's the time you make up your platform), not yell at people "refusing" to vote for him as if they are just petulant children refusing to eat their veggies and act like the most logical and rational option is locking your vote for joe biden and whoever disagrees just cannot understand the correctness of your reasoning.
(to be clear i'm not american but it's just ridiculous how many times i have heard this exact song and dance)
You're living in a fantasy world. The reality is that we have a not great candidate, and a REALLY BAD candidate. The people voting for the REALLY BAD candidate are die hard zealots. We really don't want the REALLY BAD candidate to win because it would be the end of democracy in the US, so the only ethical option is to vote for the other popular candidate, the not great candidate.
you're living in the fantasy world since you think philosophically mugging people is actually gonna convince them to vote for "genocide joe". I don't want the big bad orange guy to win, so you guys supporting biden need to do better. maybe make him take more popular positions instead of trying to shame people by talking to them like a child not understanding your superior ethics philosophy. just a thought.
AFAIU the Spanish civil war was lost to fascists because the opposition couldn't unite.
It's not the responsibility of any one faction to avoid infighting but it is everyone's responsibility to find common ground.
History rhymes.
exactly so while half of one faction already said "fuck it i'm with you" and the other half undecided, it would be very dumb of the other faction to not even move an inch or try to find a common ground, instead stomping their feet and saying "but i want vote now!!!!". that isn't good for coalition building as far as i know.
This is wild speculation but I'm not even sure the Biden administration understands what people want at this point though. I see sort of the same problem in Swedish politics. Left wing politics has stagnated and doesn't understand how to win people over. Alt right is growing.
The major difference is that we don't have first past the post so even when our alt right party is second largest and the right is in government their influence is somewhat limited. They certainly get to ship their agenda but at least there are others in the room with a voice when they do.