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Some great quotes here.
To be empathetic to someone that you’re shooting in the head is not exactly laudable.
Unfortunately, Harris is kinda stuck. Even if she wins the election, Biden is still President until January. She can’t undermine his foreign policy too much.
I hope she actually does what’s good for Palestine once she’s in a better position to.
Right. So, I’m Jewish. What i want is for Harris to tell Netanyahu: “stop killing Palestinian kids for fucking nothing, or i will cut off all foreign aid to your shithole country”. But i will settle for weak-ass half measures because any incremental gain literally saves lives. She can play hardball later on, if there is some way for her and congress to undermine AIPAC. More than likely, that’s going to be a generations-long struggle.
Harris 2024. Fuck russia, including the republican traitor filth.
How come no one that runs for president is ever as perfect as me.
From a political perspective it's amazing how much of a lose-lose this situation has been for Biden and now Harris. Half the country is calling him "Genocide Joe" for supporting Israel while the other is calling him antisemitic for supposedly abandoning Israel. To be fair I think one side is arguing in bad faith and these aren't equally valid positions, but regardless not a soul in this country seems to be content with our current approach - even if it's intended as some sort of compromise.
Half of the country certainly is not - a very vocal but small minority are spamming the fuck out of social media saying that.
My guess is that a lot of people don't even think about it because they're worried about making rent this month.
Don't get me wrong, it's an important issue. However, just because we're plugged in and paying attention doesn't mean everyone is or even can.
Only the biggest social movement since the Vietnam war. Must be Russian bots on social media right?
It's not a lose-lose situation. Supporting israel is a loss because as we see they turn on Biden anyways by calling him antisemitic for wagging his finger a little bit while sending 2000 pound bombs for israel to drop on schools. Not supporting israel would have been a win.
Biden and the Democrats have not compromised. He is full on with israel on the Genocide side. There are no conditions to weapons, and the Biden admin lies daily that israel is not committing war crimes so they can violate Leahy law.
Withholding support to Israel would embolden the opposition here at home and have huge geopolitical implications abroad. I won't argue over whether or not it's the right thing to do, but I definitely wouldn't characterize it as a "win" for any US administration.
If we don't give Israel 2000 pound bombs to throw on hospitals it has huge implications abroad?
Yes.
Unfortunately, polls on this issue have come up with highly varied results. So long as a very significant number of Americans support Israeli military action though, she will probably retain this half-half position, to not alienate older voters that tend to support Israel.
This will not be improved by speaking in support of hamas, claiming they are some sort of "freedom fighters" or anything like that, when they never allowed Gazans any freedoms.
A better idea would be to talk about encroachment of Israeli settlements and sanctioned violence in the West Bank under Netanyahu in defiance of the two-state solution proposed in the Oslo Accords (simply known to Americans from the time as the Israeli-Palestinian Peace Deal, negotiated during the Clinton years), and statements from prominent Israelis about the apartheid-like situation of Gaza over the years.
This is not true. Polls have showed massive support for a ceasefire. Over 70% of Democrats.
Israel has never allowed Gazans any freedoms while they locked them inside of a concentration camp you mean right?
And both Biden and Harris support a ceasefire.
Do 70% of Democrats also support a complete cessation of all weapon sales to Israel? Or ending our diplomatic ties with Israel? Or even a two state solution?
This is a complex web of an issue. Support for a ceasefire does not translate to support for stopping weapons to Israel, nor anything else about the issue. Don't pretend otherwise
Biden and Harris do not support a ceasefire. If they did they would use their leverage to achieve it.
Words and actions are different don't pretend otherwise.
70% of democrats supporting a cease fire does not mean Israel does not have significant support. Democrats are not the only voters she wants, she also wants independents and anti-Trump republicans. Cease fires can be temporary.
Neither hamas nor Israel allowed Gazans freedoms. Hamas has held power there since being voted in almost 20 years ago, and has never allowed another election.
Yes the independents and anti Trump voters are also in favor of stronger also anti israel rhetoric. Which is what this article is about.
Not sure why you felt the need to paste some Hasbara at the end there. You sure don't seem to have an agenda.
The article did not say that anywhere, because it is not true. 30% of democrats are not even in support of a cease fire, by your own figure. This gets much higher among our conservatives.
I do have an agenda, I am against aggressive warfighters that start hot wars, and am in favor of self-determination and accurate information. This seems to be in opposition to your agenda, which appears to be simply anti-Israeli no matter what.
No you do not call out israel for their brutal oppression you just keep bringing up Hamas.
Ergo you have a pro israel agenda not an anti agressor agenda.
That's funny, if you scroll up just a little bit you will see my criticisms of Israeli settlements and violence in the West Bank.
I simply do not think hamas are some sort of heroes, when they are absolutely demons. The IDF fighting hamas is two evils fighting each other. Siding with either is picking your favorite evil.
edit because up and down are different directions
Just pointing this out as a public service message. Linky is a well-known bad faith poster. Likely not even from any of the countries involved. And speaking from a position of extreme privilege. Hence why they can argue for unrealistic positions and against the best options we have. But not worry about suffering negative consequences from it.
I wish this was a pinned message.
Looked at post history and you aren't wrong...
A cop can never be trusted to be telling the truth. She's pandering to her base only for them to be let down again.
Who would you want to see as president (besides Bernie)
If given the choice, I would just assume Democrats and Republicans as a party dropped off the face of the earth.