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Republic of China ≠ People's republic of China.
Well yes. One is the result of a bloodthirsty and corrupt military dictatorship which is directly responsible for the deaths of millions, whereas the other is the People's Republic of China.
However, both are China as you can see from the names they've chosen for themselves.
One is one of the most democratic countries in the world and PRC is one of the most undemocratic countries of the world.
"one of the most democratic countries in the world" might be a bit of a stretch here
Democracy is when the people can vote for their politicians instead of countries like the PRC where they are forced.
If you were forced to vote for people would you be satisfied or dissatisfied with your government?
Then why does China have a 95.5% approval rating for their government that spans 15 years?
How are the approval ratings collected?
Harvard spent 15 years conducting a massive and thorough research project.
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-government-satisfaction/
Interesting. I wonder how it will look in maybe 50 years or so.
It's impressive how far they have come in such a short time, but I wonder for how long the population will be content by that.
It's a shame about the rising corruption and inequality, hopefully they will try and improve on that. The very high degrees of censorship and propaganda is also not something I am a huge fan of.
cope lol
No one gives a shit what you're a fan of. Do you have any idea how much more developed the Western propaganda machine is, and for how much longer it's been operating? Do you realize that Forbes Magazine, created from the Forbes financier fortune, was built on the genocidal railroad projects that Forbes invested his family fortune in? Do you know where that fortune came from? Opium sales in China. Forbes sold drugs in China, and when China tried to ban opium, the British merchants, who owned the newspapers, wrote articles demanding war because China violated British sovereignty with this act of defense. And from that propaganda, Britain took Hong Kong, Shanghai, and multiple other port cities.
The West is the dominant producer of propaganda in the world.
Do you have any proof of that happening or did you just make that up as usual?
Do you have any proof that PRC citizens are forced to vote lol what the fuck even is this shit man.
spoiler
Australia also forces their people to vote, are we also "one of the most undemocratic countries in the world"
Only the PRC is recognized as a country under international law. The RoC government squatting in Taiwan Province is legally no different to the ISIS occupation of parts of Iraq.
The PRC is one of the few truly sovereign states in the world, able to resist American domination on its own terms. The residents of Taiwan Province get to vote between stooges of American imperialism and stooges of Japanese imperialism.
The rest of the world is seemingly too scared to upset the PRC so many won't recognize Taiwan. Many countries maintain unofficial relationships.
It's obviously a country and it's useless discussing this further with a tankie.
How do you define "American domination" and what other countries do you consider to be affected by it? Personally I don't feel dominated by idiots.
Vaush?
Renowned Tankies, the states parties to the Montevideo Convention. Hardcore Stalinists, the lot of them!
"It's useless discussing with a Tankie!", proceeds to discuss with a Tankie. Very good rhetoric, 10/10.
So you can't define it. What a shocker.
Sometimes it's just funny to discuss things with morons. It makes you feel like a genius in comparison.
I thought it was pointless to discuss with me? Which one is it? Retract one of your two contradictory statements and I'll happily define whatever you want.
There is only one China, according to about 180 countries on earth. That includes USA. FYI, Taiwan never expressed a want for independence because Taiwan itself wants reunification with China. Ever thought of it?
Yeah. Not many know that Taiwan is the true China, waiting for the mainland
Its the opposite, but go on.
There's really nothing to continue. Of course on your take we could consider that the mainland Chinese people are China and some day they'll have a new revolution from the oligarchy. But I'm not holding my breath on that happening anywhere
China does not have oligarch problems like USA/West or South Korea do. And they crackdown on their billionaires and hang the corrupt ones quite often. They have not even spared their own private tutor, real estate, video game and tech industries.
I don't know if oligarchy has different definitions somewhere. I meant this:
oligarchy /ˈɒlɪɡɑːki/, noun
a small group of people having control of a country or organization.
CPC has about 90M members, and including their youth and worker wings, over 300M members. Not sure how 1/6th of a country "controlling" the country is a small group, but go on.
@[email protected] describe to someone how China can be considered an oligarchy
Am I dreaming, or did you use ChatGPT for rebuttal? This is gold.
boredtortoise chatgpt rebuttal
It's not a rebuttal. You wanted more. It's gold indeed. Enjoy!
Edit: lol I saw the deleted comments in my inbox. I've been too long on the internet to be hurt — you just forgot the number one rule, never be a jerk
Comedy gold, for sure. The brainrot it spit out is so devoid of context and detail, its funny. You are the exact kind of idiot that would use Wikipedia to make university research papers.
I'm just the kind of idiot that made a joke to which you lost your temper. Double gold 🥇🥇
"I just pretend to be an idiot on internet for gotcha moment"
Is it idiocy to have fun, or to be someone who has to resort to name calling. We'll never know ✨
Or try asking ChatGPT ;)
They don't want to be reunified under a PRC government like the PRC wants, instead they have a claim on present PRC territory.
Taiwan is independent nowadays though.
Independence from China is when one of the emblems of your armed forces is this:
And speaking of the ROC Marine Corps, the ROC claims more parts of the South China Sea than the PRC (11 dash line vs 9 dash line), but unlike its claims of Mongolia, which is treated as a joke that no one takes seriously, the ROC is very serious in its pursuit of its claims to the SCS by building naval bases and holding regular naval exercises. Here's Vietnam diplomatically telling the ROC to fuck off from the Spratly Islands.
A Republic of Taiwan has no conceivable grounds to pursuit any claims to the SCS because the SCS is nowhere close to what the territorial waters of a hypothetical ROT would be and a ROT is not part of any international treaty which a ROT could use to justify de jure control. But it's not claiming the SCS as a ROT but as the ROC. And unlike a ROT, the ROC as China does have international agreement which would give it de jure control over the SCS. This is how you know Taiwanese separatism is farcical. It's all "Taiwan is culturally and politically distinct from China" until the SCS is involved then it's suddenly, "aktually as the Republic of China, these are Chinese water and thus our territorial waters since we are the Republic of China you see." But then again, what else do you expect from the political (and literal) descendants of Japanese fascist collaborators who (not so secretly) wish they were Japanese?