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[–] [email protected] 62 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Numerous sources have said that this is a deliberate act of revenge by Republicans because Democrats didn't jump in to save McCarthy's speaker role. More are expected to come. This has got to rank up there with McConnell blaming Obama when one of his own bills blows up in his face, saying it's Obama's fault for not warning them hard enough even after they overrode his veto.

Of course, they're so far doing nothing to the 8 Republicans who, you know, actually voted to remove McCarthy. Or Matt Gaetz, who started all this shit in the first place. Instead, they're taking their frustrations out on a couple of 80+ year old representatives out of spite.

I also haven't found out where this clown even has the authority to order this. His powers are literally only limited to recognizing the next nominee for Speaker, holding the vote, and sending the House to recess. I am unsure why both of these people haven't just told him where he can shove his orders.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (2 children)

His powers are literally only limited to recognizing the next nominee for Speaker, holding the vote, and sending the House to recess.

Is this actually established? The actual language states "The Member acting as Speaker pro tempore under this provision may exercise such authorities of the Office of Speaker as may be necessary and appropriate pending the election of a Speaker or Speaker pro tempore."

While kicking people out of offices clearly doesn't fall under this, I feel like the role isn't as limited as "can ONLY use their power to try and elect a new speaker". Like, if there is indeed a gridlock and a new speaker can not be agreed upon, I feel like at a certain point just going ahead and doing the normal job of the speaker is "necessary and appropriate" since the alternative is a dead branch of government.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago

Is this actually established? The actual language states “The Member acting as Speaker pro tempore under this provision may exercise such authorities of the Office of Speaker as may be necessary and appropriate pending the election of a Speaker or Speaker pro tempore.”

Per this:

It comes right after the part you quoted:

The authority of a Speaker pro tempore to exercise certain powers depends on whether he is designated, designated and approved, or elected. The powers of a designated Speaker pro tempore, compared with those of an elected Speaker pro tempore, are relatively limited. Deschler Ch 6 Sec. Sec. 10, 14.

Since he hasn't been elected or "designated and approved", his powers are much more limited. The other important words are "pending the election of a Speaker or Speaker Pro Tempore". This has generally been interpreted as his powers are only limited to being what's absolutely needed to elect a permanent Speaker. As virtually everybody has said that the HoR is essentially shut down for a week until the GOP comes up with a nominee, it looks like this interpretation is still holding.

This asshole is just stroking off to the GOP base with these evictions. Hopefully, they tell him to go fuck himself.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Seeing as this has never happened in US history before... well it's going to be a clusterfuck that the parliamentarian will no doubt have to weigh in on multiple times.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Rep Jim McGovern has expressed some concerns about the validity of all this:

how would he know?