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About as fascist as any other capitalist nation. Which is to say if there was any threat to the Russian bourgeois by their working class it would be. Probably the only reason the US isn't full fascist yet is because leftism is so dead in this country that the capitalist class doesn't need to worry about such things.
The USA is fascist. Do not kid yourself. Remember that the Third Reich emulated the USA and the USA absorbed the Third Reich. The USA is the torchbearer for fascism. The idea that it's not is almost entirely from a white perspective. The USA has continuously had racial ghettos, massive prison labor, criminalization of poverty and racial deviance, mass murder, fanatical Christianity, secret police, domestic surveillance, control of media, lack of democratic accountability, concentration camps, callous murder of racialized groups, constant war footing against engineered enemies, domestic and global terror projects, political prisoners, and protection of the minority bourgeoisie.
The only things the USA doesn't have right at this moment that the Third Reich had are the following: industrial mass murder, industrial mass displacement, violent purges.
It is unlikely to develop these things because they understand that the reaction to these things will be counter to their continuous hold on power.
The USA has, in essence, been fascist since beforeb it's founding, because the European colonists essentially had all the components of European fascism during the colonial era. Mass murder was made easier by stuffing hundreds of black rebels into ships and gassing them. Haiti worked their slaves to death so fast they needed to import 50k a year to keep up. The USA's relationship to the native peoples is nearly identical to what fascism showed us. We still have race science built into our culture through our media narratives and our particular use of statistics in social sciences.
Don't wait around for the USA to become fascist.
I don't disagree with what you have said (for obvious reasons), but out of curiosity - why did USA fight other fascists in that case? Imperial Japan was likely due to wanting control of Pacific region. What about the Nazis?
I'd imagine this kind of questions arise sooner or later in discussion with USians in regards to their country's behaviour and state
I think calling every capitalist country fascist dilutes the meaning of the word; as far as I know, the state isn't completely controlled by the bourgeoisie in Russia (despite the West calling them oligarchs, they seem to have significantly less power than their imperial core counterparts), and while there are anti-LGBTQ+ laws which should obviously be condemned, I'm not aware of any mass imprisonment of minorities
I remember hearing about prisons for gay people in Russia. I’m not saying it true, by the way, just that it’s something that was making the rounds.
I'm sure a lot of liberals believe Russia has secret concentration camps and torture facilities for all kinds of people (like the US actually does)
I found it! It was Chechnya! Which is a part of Russia? It’s a republic of Russia but I don’t know what that means entirely. Anyway, they had anti-gay purges and I remember hearing about it in high school (not in class, just on the news). It’s a Wikipedia link so viewer discretion is advised, but it works for summary of what I was talking about.
it's possible that gay men were arrested (Kadyrov seems to be a bigoted scumbag), but you should be skeptical unless there's something more than a few self-proclaimed witnesses, especially when they're anonymous, e.g. in the source cited by Wikifedia for the first paragraph
Remember that the Chechens were portrayed by west as the good guys when they opposed Russia, and back then they were led by absolute scumbags compared to which Kadyrov is an angel, and even things like terrorist act in Beslan or Dubrovka theatre (imagine what would USA do if something like that happened there!) didn't shaken that.
In Poland mainstream media emanated visible schadenfreude and more open fash were saying the terrorist are cool guys, or would be if only they werent "ciapaci" (polish slur for brown people, usually used for muslims).