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The person I saw desperately hiding behind their car and shot and killed from three feet away by a Hamas fighter did not look to me to be an IDF soldier. They were deliberately targeted, not "caught in a crossfire". Videos don't lie.
Can you please share a link to the video, or point me to where I can find it? I am open to changing my mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7i254JAZCQ
Guess you haven't seen this one. It's in the first couple minutes.
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Thanks for the link! I assume you're speaking about the part between 1:30 and 1:40. a person wearing black appeared behind the lines of Palestinian forces. This would be pretty alarming to the fighters, as the person in black could be undercover or off duty soldier. The person was probably yelled at and told to get down, but proceeded to move in the wrong direction (could be language barrier). It seems that this is when someone opened fire, but you can see smoke appears on the ground noticeably far from the person. This means whoever was shooting shot at the ground, to alert the person in black. It was immediately after that that the person in black dropped to the ground.
Most likely, they dropped not because they got shot and killed, but because they complied after being warned with the gunshots. If you're shooting to kill, you wouldn't be shooting on the ground far from the person, or even their legs. Moreover, if you look close and zoom in, the person is seen moving after they drop right before the clip ends, indicating they're probably still alive, and the video clip ends immediately after.
Sorry, justify it and sugarcoat to yourself and speculate however you want, you're not going to convince me both sides aren't evil sick and twisted assholes in this conflict with both Palestinian and Israeli civilians caught in the middle.
This may be true but in order to come to a meaningful solution you cannot be afraid to analyze the situation. By all conclusions the violence and power in this situation is entirely asymmetrical. The IDF have been operating an apartheid state and an open air prison. These conditions led to the violence. The solution is a free Palestine.
No need to apologize. I understand you've made up your mind already, but the facts are clear, and others reading my comment can cross what I said with the video to compare and verify me.
"both sides" is a meaningless stance. What are you recommending, other than maintaining the status quo of massacre and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians? Of slow death and suffocation? What are Palestinians to do but resist?
I don't have an answer to that. Nobody has a good answer to that. It doesn't mean I condone targeting civilians, no matter who it is. They both have the right to exist and live in peace.
By supporting the status quo, you are supporting the murder of civilians involved in said status quo. No worries though, its not surprising from westerners. Been doing it for centuries now.
Did I say I support the status quo? No, I did not. But your "solution" is also not acceptable to me. I'd say the same damn thing if I ever found out that people who lived under the holocaust harmed random people in the streets of Germany. That is simply never justifiable. I would take my own life before I ever take the life of a noncombatant civilian who has personally done me no harm. That's something I could never live with, maybe you can.
You have opposed any change to the status quo. What else would that make you?
The resistance against Nazi Germany actually had far far more civilian casualties than Palestine's resistance against Israel, despite the fact that the Palestinian cause has been ongoing for way longer. Did you really not know this? I must be misunderstanding you, or maybe you misspoke. I thought they teach about this extensively in the US