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[–] [email protected] 529 points 11 months ago (25 children)

There is a great way to monitor employee’s performance. This one weird trick will save you losing your best employees!

Are their tasks getting done on time and with quality work?

Congrats! You just learned how to treat your employees like adults.

Now kindly fuck off and let me continue to work in my underwear.

[–] [email protected] 130 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Also, ask “how did you spend your time last week” and “what are you planning to do this week”. The answers may surprise you!

[–] [email protected] 76 points 11 months ago (6 children)

I actually like daily standups. I know many don’t, but they can be really useful.

What did you do yesterday. What are you doing today. Any issues for the group?

Then get back to work!

[–] [email protected] 68 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Daily standups are fine, but they need to be like 10-15 minutes tops. And between 10am-1pm. Putting them at 9am sharp is just rude.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 11 months ago

A few jobs back the director was having daily standups with the whole dev team for 60-90 minutes and sometimes longer.

The goal was to figure out why the project was behind schedule... yeah.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Yeah I hate this. At 9 I don’t remember where I was yesterday.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What I used to do was make notes at the end of the day. Just a couple short bullet points to say at standup and help me get back on track a little faster the next morning.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I try this but it never sticks, so I try and log everything in tickets instead.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Honestly I like your way better. Makes the ticket easier to hand off. Pocketing that for later.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Ugh. I hate being on the west coast of the US. Most office jobs start at 7 or 8 AM here.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

That sucks.

I sometimes work with west coat companies and the quiet time in the morning was great. It sucks having to be on calls at 8/9PM though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

God, I hear that...plus I usually need to meet with my coworkers in India, so I'm often needing to start meetings at 6 AM. I am nooooot functional that early

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Yeah, check your email, get a bit of a plan, “hey what’s your plan, what’d you do yesterday”

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Keeping the meeting short was the whole point of them being "standups" (as opposed to "sit-downs") in the first place!

Frankly, even 10 minutes is excessive: it means either people are talking too much or your team is too big.

I'm fucking sick and tired of cargo-cult managers adopting the trappings of agile without understanding WTF they're for.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

My stand-ups are at 10 am (11 am for most of the team), last between 3 and 15 minutes depending on how many of the 7 of us show up and how much everyone has to say, then we all go back to what we're doing. My project manager and boss both care about the work that gets done rather than monitoring us to make sure we're working the entire time, and we actually get reasonable (even generous) timelines for most things unless it's something super important.

I love my job.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Ha, I could not be more the opposite. I want to be 75% done with my day by 1pm. I’d rather them be at 8am

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I'm the same way. If I could start work at 5:00 a.m. and be off by noon or 1:00 p.m. I'd be happy. It's just hard to find people who want to do therapy at 5:00 a.m. 😂

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They are out there, in other time zones.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Indeed, move to Alaska then do therapy exclusively for east coasters.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'd love it if therapy hours were before and after normal work hours. On Betterhelp they are, but I gave up on it after a couple tries when I couldn't find a good fit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm allowed to set my own hours, so if it was telehealth I could theoretically do late night or morning appointments if I want to. I just haven't really thought about that. When I eventually have my own practice. I really do want to have weekend hours and evening hours, before I worked with a lot of parents and that was one of the biggest issues was when do you have time for therapy when you're chasing a toddler. Or like I remember when I would have friends who worked as bartenders, they wished that they could do therapy after they got off work but sometimes that would be two or three in the morning.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (5 children)

This would be a massive waste of time if it were with the whole team every day. I don't need to know what every other employee on the team is doing every single day, and I don't need to spend time listening to them explain it. I've got shit to do.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

My husband holds his team meetings at 3/4pm ish on friday on zoom with beers. Afterwards he tells everyone to fuck off home.

THAT is how you do it. It turns into a pile of geeks talking geek and part post-mortem, part decompressing from the week and they've actually had some absolutely mint ideas rising out of deformalising the dev pileup.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (8 children)
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[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

We used to have a rigorous schedule. Arrive at the office between 8-830. Make coffee and chat. At 9am we started the daily meeting. We all read what we were going to do today to each other. By then it was 1130 and so we broke for lunch. After lunch, at 1300 we would do the thing we said we would do. At 1530-1630 we would submit out updates to the project management system and produce tomorrow's report for us to read to each other. 1700 we would go to the bar then head home around 1830.

When I started working for myself I would usually start around 9 to finish at noon, including travel time.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

It wouldn't be explaining it. It would be your teammates telling everyone where they are on the projects you all work on. If you aren't working the same projects, then you aren't on the same team. Or you need sub-teams. If your work is so independent you don't rely on anyone else's work and vice versa, then you probably don't need standups.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don’t like them daily, it’s too much accountability to always say something, and there’s always that one person who stretches it out.

I prefer a weekly priority list and a weekly planning meeting.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

eh. i think best practice is smallish teams get everyone together once a week for the stand up. but a supe or somebody makes the rounds daily. five minute check up 'do you need anything? get you some coffee?', kind of conversation before going to the next.

it doesn't impact the team if that one person wants to chat, but also gives people an opportunity to bring up concerns they wouldn't normally bring up in a group.

largish teams need to be broken into smallish teams.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I was doing daily technical meetups in the morning so that my team in India and the more local members could stay in sync and ask each other questions. Usually 10 minutes, but occasionally an hour or more when we had to go way out into the weeds.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 11 months ago (2 children)

But... but... but...

It's proving that my 25 years of being paid 3 times as much as the people I "manage" has been a complete scam the entire time!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hey, if they're getting all their work done on time, they're probably not getting enough work /s

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

And the 9 floating around managers will figure out to send THAT email, right?

Oh. Wait. No. You right.

Dem 9 gonna have 7 pointless meetings.

So frustrating how a remote world is exposing that...

Edit: not sarcastic. Satiracle.

Call me Candide.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

Thats the thing... boses are basically saying that they cant do that. They cant actually measure how productive people are so they fall back on watching them like a hawk

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Is it underwear if it isn't under anything?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's under my ass all day, does that count?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

I like to save that for Casual Friday. It helps the weekend feel special.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

You're overlooking that most managers don't actually do anything, so they need desperately to justify their positions. I have a manager who has seven hours of meetings every day, five days a week. We make a fucking app. It barely changes month to month. What on earth are you spending 35 hours a week talking about?

The manager has so little to do they just micromanage everyone, and cause a massive backlog of work that doesn't have to exist.

I always thought that Office Space was satire, but it really is like that in a lot of companies. I spent more time updating managers than doing actual work since I started this position.

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