706
TIL that the judge in the Carroll rape case clarified that Trump did rape Jean Carroll
(www.washingtonpost.com)
this post was submitted on 24 Oct 2023
706 points (94.9% liked)
Today I Learned
16981 readers
569 users here now
What did you learn today? Share it with us!
We learn something new every day. This is a community dedicated to informing each other and helping to spread knowledge.
The rules for posting and commenting, besides the rules defined here for lemmy.world, are as follows:
Rules (interactive)
Rule 1- All posts must begin with TIL. Linking to a source of info is optional, but highly recommended as it helps to spark discussion.
** Posts must be about an actual fact that you have learned, but it doesn't matter if you learned it today. See Rule 6 for all exceptions.**
Rule 2- Your post subject cannot be illegal or NSFW material.
Your post subject cannot be illegal or NSFW material. You will be warned first, banned second.
Rule 3- Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here.
Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here. Breaking this rule will not get you or your post removed, but it will put you at risk, and possibly in danger.
Rule 4- No self promotion or upvote-farming of any kind.
That's it.
Rule 5- No baiting or sealioning or promoting an agenda.
Posts and comments which, instead of being of an innocuous nature, are specifically intended (based on reports and in the opinion of our crack moderation team) to bait users into ideological wars on charged political topics will be removed and the authors warned - or banned - depending on severity.
Rule 6- Regarding non-TIL posts.
Provided it is about the community itself, you may post non-TIL posts using the [META] tag on your post title.
Rule 7- You can't harass or disturb other members.
If you vocally harass or discriminate against any individual member, you will be removed.
Likewise, if you are a member, sympathiser or a resemblant of a movement that is known to largely hate, mock, discriminate against, and/or want to take lives of a group of people, and you were provably vocal about your hate, then you will be banned on sight.
For further explanation, clarification and feedback about this rule, you may follow this link.
Rule 8- All comments should try to stay relevant to their parent content.
Rule 9- Reposts from other platforms are not allowed.
Let everyone have their own content.
Rule 10- Majority of bots aren't allowed to participate here.
Unless included in our Whitelist for Bots, your bot will not be allowed to participate in this community. To have your bot whitelisted, please contact the moderators for a short review.
Partnered Communities
You can view our partnered communities list by following this link. To partner with our community and be included, you are free to message the moderators or comment on a pinned post.
Community Moderation
For inquiry on becoming a moderator of this community, you may comment on the pinned post of the time, or simply shoot a message to the current moderators.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Didn't she say that she wasn't sure if it was his penis or his fingers and that's why in NY they couldn't call it rape.
Which is ridiculous because it's rape whichever he used.
Forceable sexual assault? Yes.
Rape? No.
Fondling? Yes.
This using Clery Act standards which colleges use. PDF Warning.
Otherwise it varies heavily state by state.
"Forcible sexual assault" is rape. As the judge agreed.
No it's not and there should be distinctions.
Why exactly should there be a distinction between forcing yourself on a woman and penetrating her with your finger and forcing yourself on a woman and penetrating her with your penis? Is a penis somehow worse than a finger when it comes to forcibly penetrating a woman?
So rape is based on the possibility of pregnancy? Should the rape of a woman post-menopause be considered as a lesser crime than the rape of a woman who has the capability of getting pregnant? What if it's during her period?
Is it less rape it you use a condom? What if you ask her if she's on the pill and trust her?
Few more explanatory quotes - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/07/donald-trump-rape-language-e-jean-carroll
Article says the jury found trump liable for digital(fingers) penetration, but not for irrefutable non-consensual penetration using his penis, which is the only way to legally be found liable for "rape" in NY.
I have not watched or read a transcript of the trial yet, this is a true TIL.
I cannot imagine the ordeal for the victim when a bunch of folks in suits discusses if someone forced his dick inside of you or "just" his fingers...
Pretty horrifying.
At least trump was found liable, though. I was thinking of a victim exposing themselves in the courtroom and the countless times a jury finds for the rich douchebag with more lawyers.
By any other name, would he still be a creep.
Yes, the answer is yes.
Not a convict because it was a civil case rather than criminal, trump is still a rapist according to a judge and jury.
I only bring this up so that if you ever get in a debate or someone says he's not a rapist, they can't falsely dismiss that trumpi is a rapist on a technicality within your statement.
Trump is a rapist.
What the actual fuck
Exactly, I totally agree
That's what happens when men write laws that are used to try other men for crimes against women
She didn't have her contacts in; it could have been his penis or his pinky finger based on size.
Absolutely, except by law in New York.
shut the fuck up. rape is rape.
How much does it matter to the victim whether the assaulter's penis or fingers were forced inside of them if they couldn't identify which it was? I'm sure she would have preferred neither. You're just arguing semantics right?
i don't remember. it's gross and awful.
Yes it's like you said. Awful through and through