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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If that stops even just 1% of murders then that's actually great.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Well it'll stop even less than that. Mass shooters plan for months, the law isn't intended for that. It is meant to stop "crimes of passion" (read: killing your wife), but all that would happen is they prevent this time (or he goes all Chris Benoit), then he picks up his gun 10 days later, and next time he's in a wife killin' mood he's all prepared.

In fact, statistically, according to the ATF, average "Time to crime" of a firearm (time from purchase to when it ends up involved at a crime scene) is 11 years. That's a bit longer than 10 days.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

10 days is more than 0. Is that maths too hard for you? a 0 day waiting time would stop NOTHING. 10 days would at least stop spur of the moment killings. Is that not worth something?

What would you prefer:

  • A higher number of killings
  • A lower number of killings

If your standard is 0 killings, you'll agree with nothing, because nothing will get it to 0.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So you don't care that instead of killing his wife on the first of the month, he kills her on the tenth? Sure solved a lot there. Simply killing someone 9 days later than origionally intended is somehow lowering the number of killings? And no mention of average time to crime being eleven whole years? Again I posit that 11 years is longer than 10 days, there are 410.5 "10 days" stretches in 11yrs, by the time that first gun typically shows up in crime he could have 410 guns and be 5 days from his 411th.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So, you're in favour of 11 year wait times?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No I'm in favor of "not doing things that are absolutely pointless."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Oh, but your argument before was that 10 days isn't long enough. Was that just a trick?

Sounds to me like you're one of those people that says, "I'm not against gun control in principle, it just has to be done right", then disagrees with every gun control proposal. Because you actually are against gun control.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

No, my argument was that a 10 day wait period was "pointless, because it does fuck all."

Oh, and yes, I am against further gun control that has no impact. I, unlike you, don't just want to pretend I'm helping, I actually want to address the root causes of violence (not just gun violence) themselves. It may be harder but at least it isn't "completely useless feel good legislation that isn't even actually designed to actually solve the issue because if they did solve it they couldn't use it to pressure you for votes."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Wow, you seem pretty confident you know what my opinion is, even without me telling you! Try my age, next!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm sorry, Mr. High-And-Mighty, but did you or did you not just post this?

Oh, but your argument before was that 10 days isn't long enough. Was that just a trick?

Sounds to me like you're one of those people that says, "I'm not against gun control in principle, it just has to be done right", then disagrees with every gun control proposal. Because you actually are against gun control.

Try harder lol your trolling is not working.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

What exactly do you think that proves? Do you think it proves I'm against mental health programs? Do you think it proves I'm for increased police budgets?

No. You know my inclination on this one subject. Not the totality of my opinion. Did I say this measure alone would help? Fuck no. But who wants to add wait times and do absolutely nothing else? It seems like that's what you're implying. But anyone who isn't an idiot knows these issues aren't dealt with by doing a single thing on its own.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

No I think it proves you're the pot calling the kettle black. "OhH I cAn TeLl YoU wHaT yOu MeAn BuT yOu CaN't TeLl Me WhAt I mEaN!!"