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Just finished listening to August Nimtz on Upstream podcast. He explains why voting for the lesser evil will always push you further right.
So this sounds interesting, but depressing. Is it all just doom or does he propose realistic actionable solutions?
Yeah. Join or form an actual workers’ party that facilitates working class interest. There is no “easy” button.
What a surprise that the guy who thinks violence is the only way to make political change thinks voting is useless
He talks about that in the podcast.
Podcast is 1:28:02 long.
Do you have timestamps of questions or talking points?
I listened while walking my dog. Sorry. I don’t know how to do timestamps. It’s worth a listen. He goes back in history to other social movements and why they failed. Without a legitimate working class party to prevent capitalism from resorting to fascism, the bourgeoisie will always pull the economy further right. He talks of what Lenin and Trotsky got right, and what Stalin got wrong. It’s a well balanced take you don’t hear too much.
All good.
Thanks!
Ok, so when are you going to start shooting?
There is no “I” in “Movement.”
Theres a 'me' though
So that’s why they always fail…
Okay, when are you going to form your militia?
The 69 percenters? Probably after I get my tax return and get a new electric scooter.
Clearly this revolution is a big priority to you. Of course, it's easy when you just have to sit in front of a computer and expect other people to do it for you.
Thanks for the info!
Yes, voting for the status quo will not change anything.
We learned this from Justice Dems. and Bernie Sanders in 2016/2020, you can't change the system from within, the system will change you.
I watch Richard Wolff, so will watch his interview with August Nimtz.
What Marxism Teaches Us About the Trump Moment & Capitalism in Crisis - August H. Nimtz Jr. [4:59 | Aug 2, 2021 | Democracy At Work]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIo4QSVifbY
Economic Update: Best Years of U.S. Lie in its Past [29:35 | Aug 2, 2021 |Democracy At Work]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp724UbMtrQ