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[–] [email protected] 81 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Decentralization is expensive too judging by some of the sentiment I've seen around running Mastodon and Lemmy/Kbin instances.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Right? People simply expect someone else to pay the bills.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

And why wouldn't they? 90% of the software people use daily is free (as in beer), so of course being told that's going to change is going to cause upset. It takes a lot for people to want to pay money for something that, to those who don't value free (as in freedom) software, is no different than the costless alternative.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago (4 children)

At some point society needs to figure out how we can subsidize the costs of data storage, remote servers, and provision of internet to people for free.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

The only real way to do that is government subsidized servers, but that will fall in the same category as literally every other government service: right wing political entities try to privatize it and make it as shitty and parasitic as possible.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Self-hosting.

We just need ISPs to allow it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

You pay for these things with your data. If the government is paying for privacy-respecting storage or safe internet access, then so are you with your taxes. I'd vote for that, but I'd guess the majority of people would not.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

There's nothing to figure out, if the question is how "society" does it then the answer is literally taxes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Yup, it has a cost, but there's perhaps a one or two orders of magnitude cost difference between hosting instant messaging + calls with something like XMPP, and hosting mastodon/Lemmy/Kbin (or why I do the former but not the later, and why I'm ok to pay for the service, esp. considering that my instance's business model isn't, unlike Reddit, to re-sell influence and data).