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[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I personally use QKSMS, which isn't perfect, but it's all I've been able to stand since Signal dropped SMS support.

This RCS stuff scares me a bit, because it sounds like it will function over a data connection and not be nearly as universal of a standard as SMS/MMS is. There are already a million such apps and standards if one wants to use data for messaging. Trying to sneak it on top of SMS is very annoying. If I use my SMS app, I want my messages to be sent as such. Getting a surprise data bill shouldn't be a fear.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

RCS does function over a data connection (and WiFi!), however unless you're sending large files over the wire it's probably not going to have any effect on your data bill. Text messages are a handful of kilobytes large at worst. SMS/MMS have lots of issues to do with security and capability, and most handsets support it in some form already.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Not everyone has a large data plan. I am very aware of how much messaging taxes my data plan: the entirety of my data is already used by it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

the entirety of my data is already used by it

You are mistaken.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm really not. 75% of my data this month has been used by Signal and Discord.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Very unsurprising that Discord consumes a bunch of data but that's not really a "messaging app".

If Signal is consuming too much data, it's because you're in too many group chats with photos and videos. You can change the settings so media will only download over Wi-Fi.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Many people do use Discord as a messaging app. I am really only using it for private messages when I am on data.

I only have two Signal contacts, and no group chats. Video is set to download only on WiFi, but I do need to be able to see images.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you're using Discord for private messages, you are making another mistake.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You say that as if I don't already know it. But what am I supposed to do, abandon every friend who prefers it?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't know what you know. You're the one who said you were using it for "private" messaging. Just letting you know.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

nobody thinks discord is e2ee. "private messages" usually means the same thing as "direct messages" -- messages between a defined set of people as opposed to an open group. You know and understand this term, you're just being a dick because you think that's an effective way to convince people to stop using proprietary software without basic features like e2ee. You're wrong.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I do know and understand the difference, which is exactly why I made the correction. I'm not being a dick, I'm trying to correct poor nomenclature. I'm not trying to convince anyone to do anything except make informed decisions. I'd argue that's the opposite of being a dick. But thanks for weighing in.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You're trying to "correct" the correct usage of vernacular English because you feel like reinventing the language to suit your personal idea of what it should be. English is bigger than you. The phrase "private messaging" has meaning, and it's not up to you to decide what that meaning is.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

The phrase "private messaging" has meaning, and it's not up to you to decide what that meaning is.

Uhhhh I'm not "deciding" the meaning. It was decided long ago. And I'm not debating it any further with you. Goodbye.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Then disable RCS chats in the settings? I doubt traditional SMS is going anywhere soon.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Trying to sneak it on top of SMS is very annoying

No one is trying to "sneak" anything. The ideal messaging app has advanced messaging features as the primary and then falls back to SMS if it's unavailable, and that's exactly how this works.

If you're looking for a less advanced and secure app, you can very easily install and use anything else.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If I wanted a messaging app with advanced features, I wouldn't be using the SMS app that came with my phone.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Because SMS is inherently feature-lite. But it's free and unlimited, which is kind of the whole point of using it over a feature-rich app that uses data.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

A lot of messaging apps became popular because carriers were charging per-SMS in some countries.

Basic text messaging should consumer virtually zero data. If they are, you should consider using a different app.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Photos use a decent amount of data regardless of what app you're sending them by.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It doesn't consume much more than it does on SMS

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

SMS/MMS do not count toward data usage here. They are free and unlimited.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

QKSMS hasn't been maintained in a while, besides one update at the start of 2023.

It may be better to go with, and I personally just use, PartisanSMS which is an improved fork of QKSMS.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

That looks like it's stopped being developed too. Connect You, a Contacts app originally, is adding SMS supportβ€” but right now it kind of sucks, so we probably want to wait a bit for development.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I think that in SMS there simply is not more to have, they have everything needed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

There haven't been any issues, so I don't see why development is needed.