this post was submitted on 22 Nov 2023
81 points (74.8% liked)
Asklemmy
43340 readers
2067 users here now
A loosely moderated place to ask open-ended questions
Search asklemmy ๐
If your post meets the following criteria, it's welcome here!
- Open-ended question
- Not offensive: at this point, we do not have the bandwidth to moderate overtly political discussions. Assume best intent and be excellent to each other.
- Not regarding using or support for Lemmy: context, see the list of support communities and tools for finding communities below
- Not ad nauseam inducing: please make sure it is a question that would be new to most members
- An actual topic of discussion
Looking for support?
Looking for a community?
- Lemmyverse: community search
- sub.rehab: maps old subreddits to fediverse options, marks official as such
- [email protected]: a community for finding communities
~Icon~ ~by~ ~@Double_[email protected]~
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Funny story, when I wanted to learn how something works, I'd just... follow one of the middlemen. Learned how to use the UBNQ, repair televisions (one shop in Q5 is the best, the rest just buy from it), legalize documents, and many other things this way :D
It's weird how it's just some weird secular superstition too! There's literally no difference between what they do and the obvious thing (fill out the form and hand it in). Yet everyone pays them like they are priests performing rituals to win the favor of some Greek god. Who would be I guess... Bureaucratos?
Also /r/Vietnam can be a bit of a... cesspool of inequity. I mean 'how do I commit crimes' is a pretty common line of inquiry there. I try not to worry too much because those people won't have a place in the future the rest of us are building :)
Well the Vietnamese don't worship Greek Gods, but many people are superstitious. Their beliefs range from Feng Shui, to Wu Xing, to demons and ghosts. I've heard of parents who prevent their son from marrying his lover simply because their ages incompatible. And there are reports about people of minor ethnicity in remote areas who rather invoke a shaman for an illness rather than call a doctor, even if the illness is lethal.
Ah, sorry -- I was joking. The French prefix 'bureau' (having to do with offices, desks, writing) coupled with the ancient Greek suffix "cratos" (power, might) would be a good name for some god of bureaucracy -- but there is no such god in the ancient Greek pantheon. A better comparison would be the Celestial Bureaucracy, I guess!
Yeah, I've got some relatives who are into the shaman healing stuff. We've got to keep on eye on it so they don't give away all their money to fraudsters.
I did learn some feng shui though, it was super useful when buying land. I bought the most cursed, haunted land possible according to feng shui, to get the best price. Since I plan to live there, not sell, this was fine and saved me about 200-400 trieu.
I did know you were joking but I didn't know "bureaucratos" until you explain it to me. Cultural difference, I guess.
Regarding the Celestial Bureaucracy (or Heavenly Court). Nowadays, it is often used in fictional works as a metaphor for actual government to criticize the government. Actually, it is not just "nowadays", it has always been used as a metaphor for actual government.
Ah yeah, I remember that! That comedy show during Tet used to do that a lot, right?
That show is obvious to Vietnamese, no doubt.
For the wider East Asian culture however, there's Journey to the West. It contains allegory and political commentary on the corruption, decadence, and weakness of the Ming Dynasty. In Journey to the West, both the Taoist Celestial Court and the Buddha side are corrupt in their own ways. These elements have sadly been removed in the 10,000 Chinese cinema remakes. These remakes are profitable, but soulless and forgettable.
Ah, I haven't read that one yet, but it's on my list! I got through Romance of the 3 Kingdoms though, it was really enjoyable.