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Here's your daily reminder that there are more slaves now than there have ever been in recorded human history.
And that they make up a lower proportion of all humans than at any point in recorded human history.
It's a big problem but it's one that people are putting a lot of effort into solving.
Is penal slavery counted? Because if not, you can add about 5 million from the US alone.
I'm sure the people in slavery are really happy that slavery is at its lowest level per capita in recorded human history!
But yeah it is such a big problem we need a lot of effort in solving. It's not like you just can't enslave people or anything. Gosh I hope people come up with something eventually because I can't think of one dang solution to this big ol problem.
I’m sure people in slavery are really happy with a random someone posting bullshit in an effort to undermine actual efforts to free them.
We're like 5 comments deep in a Lemmy meme thread about a recycled webcomic and you think I'm undermining actual efforts to end slavery? You're actually stupid lol. Please explain to me where the "actual effort" is so I can laugh at you more than I already am.
To clarify, a higher total number, not a higher per Capita/percentage. Also, while modern slavery is definitely terrible, it also is very different from how most people I think conceptualize slavery, like chattel slavery.
There are 7+ billion people on Earth as opposed to ~2 billion in 1960, so factor that in.
That is not what that article is saying. All of their data is on modern slavery, not all of recorded human history. 1 in 150 people equals 0.67%. If you take just the slaves in the US and the serfs in Russia in 1860 (~4m and ~27m respectively) against the estimated world population in 1860, that made up 2.25% of the population. This doesn't include any other slaves in the rest of the world at the time.
So yes, modern slavery is increasing and is an important issue. No, there are not more slaves now than ever before.
The UN taskforce report clearly states that there are more slaves now than ever before. Personally, I don't think that this is an issue that should be justified with ratios.
There are more people now than ever before. Using just the number is misleading which alienates people from caring about the issue and undermines the goal. Let's say that in 1950 1 in 10 people died from cancer. That's 250m people. If every year 250m died from cancer, and there was no change, that means with a current world population of 8b, the cancer death rate dropped from 10% to 3%. By looking at the raw number, it looks like nothing has changed, there has been no improvement. But looking at the percentage, we have cut cancer death rates by 70%. This is why ratios are important, it let's you measure the progress. Are we doing better or worse? Raw numbers don't tell you that.
The important part of the article is that modern slavery is rising, because the percentage of slaves is increasing, which tells me the problem is getting worse. But by telling me there are more slaves now than ever before, and a quick research session tells me that that's not the whole story, suddenly I may not think there is an issue at all. And now people don't care and the sensationalism that was used to get people to support resolutions and invest in change has had the opposite effect which means the problem will just continue to get worse.
Using numbers to quantify is scope of the problem isn't justifying it.