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I have to disagree that Putin was speaking to Chinese citizens in the interview. He was speaking to the rightwing audience of Carlson, and general Western audiences.
This. I could see him speaking to an audience outside of the golden billion generally, but I doubt Tucker is as popular outside of burgerland than he is in it.
I’m not going to waste 2 hours watching this but have you seen Bilibili?
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Wp421R7aa/
The top 4 mirrors of the interview already racked up some 300k views combined in just 12 hours since they were published, and this is in the middle of Chinese New Year celebration so most people are busy with other stuff.
He at a number times invokes rightwing American talking points, it couldn't be more obvious who he is speaking to.
He’s popular in Alberta!
No chance, he wouldn't have opened with an hour of Russian and Ukrainian history if he intended to appeal to Western Chuds. He would have been ranting about globalists and LGBTQ+ and attacks on religion right off the bat.
Putin isn't stupid and he knows how to speak to different audiences. It's very obvious he doesn't care what Western Chuds think anymore. Literally gives 0 shits.
I haven't watched the interview yet but I am 90% sure it has to be targeted towards maga chuds.
As i explained in another response, i think there are two intentions at play here. One is what Carlson intended, which you are absolutely right about. The other is what Putin intended. After all he wouldn't have given this interview if he didn't think he could get something out of it, and garnering sympathy with the kind of pro-Russia reactionaries that watch Carlson is just not that useful. They have very little if any influence on foreign policy. And while he did give Tucker a few of the reactionary talking points he was looking for those were quite few and far between. This is not the kind of interview that western audiences respond well to, liberals and reactionaries alike. Westerners have a short attention span and little interest in talk of history or any kind of nuanced and lengthy responses. They want sound bites and "dunks", they want much more aggressive and simplistic rhetoric.
Obviously it's gonna be hard to tell what Putin might have intended. While I agree that Americans are stupid, in my experience people generally respond to clear and patient in depth explainers reagrdless. It's just good to listen to. Americans are addicted of bombastic vitriol but avoiding is not necessarily a pivot towards non-western audiences.
If you look at the American frontrunners for presidents, they sound incredibly stupid and incoherent when they are not outright lying. While blue and red magas kiss their dear leaders feet regardless, people somewhat know deep down what they are. In comparison Putin talks like a normal human being while sounding wise and erudite in the face of being called a madman by mainstream western press. My view is that he didn't target non-westerns specifically is all I am saying. This is different from my earlier claim of targeting maga chuds which I am walking back on.
I think that's fair. At the end of the day we can only guess at the intention from the information we have available.
I can't think of a less effective strategy then trying to appeal to chuds with lengthy historical context.
Did he pause 30 seconds in to say one side was gay because otherwise they aren't following.