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Germany: Berlin schools asked to distribute leaflet describing the 1948 Nakba as a 'myth'
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Germany is supporting Genocide dude.
You should learn a thing or two about your History. You clearly didn't pay attention in school.
Never again means never again for anyone.
I've concluded that Germans were taught "never again" as a very specific "Germans" vs "Jews" thing rather than the Humanist "never again shall people be murder en masse because of their etnicity" that does not include any specifics about the etnicity or credo of the perpetrators or the victims.
Certainly, that would be very consistent with not just the current behaviour of German politicians when it comes to Israel's Genocide but also how the past events which Germans regret are invariably framed and talked about in race terms, i.e. "Germans" and "Jews", even to the point of excluding other etnicities that the Germans also targetted and murdered in large numbers during WWII such as the Roma.
If one doesn't destroy the racist framework of thinking of people as members of a race first, one is still a racist (even if some races one before though of as "lesser", one now thinks of as "like us"), because one is still running around judging and acting based on prejudices about entire races and credos when dealing with human beings - not treating them as persons but rather treating them as members of groups they were born into.
This right here is what I'm talking about. We all know the history, thank you very much. Germany's stance comes from extreme loyalty to Jews to make up for past crimes, not from a desire to genocide Gazans. I can't say it any more plainly. These jokes and remarks about "Germans always be genociding" are insulting and incorrect.
And you don't have to explain to me how Israel is absolutely in the wrong in this conflict, my friend. Israel is committing (and has been committing) genocide and I condemn that to the fullest. Not only should there be a ceasefire, there should be an end to the occupation
Germany was a big fan of expulsing all the Jews to another country. This has nothing to do with wanting to protect them.
In fact the opposite is true. Getting all the Jews to voluntarily migrate completely falls in line with Nazi ideology.
Germany has a massive Nazi party in the AfD right now. So the actual protection of Jews does not seem like a German priority.
AfD are not all Germans. You know this. There have been widespread protests. I'm assuming you're Dutch and I hope you would be equally offended if people said you are complicit in Geert Wilders horrible utterings. There aren't any widespread protests of PVV as for the AfD.
I don't see the point in arguing here, to be honest. I am not defending anything bad here. I'm just sick of the kneejerk reaction equating present day Germans to actual 1940s Nazis for shits and giggles.
We need Germans who support Israel unconditionally to consider that Jews aren't the victims this time, and that protecting Jewry from antisemitism does not mean they can't do anything wrong, ever. It doesn't help if people show a blatant disregard for the history and sensibilities of German society
Any comparisons of this Genocide in Gaza to the Dutch being very helpful to Nazi Germany in 1940 are fully justified too. The Dutch were massive Nazi's and once again the Dutch are massive Nazi's.
If anything I encourage people to use these stereotypes to showcase how we are making the same mistakes as in the past once again.
Dutch PM Mark Rutte said "How can we make it look like israel isn't committing war crimes" because he wants to be promoted the NATO top general and is a giant bootlicker. This is not just Geert Wilders.
If the Netherlands starts giving F35 parts to israel again please start calling them Nazi's I have zero objections to that.
Fair enough but the generalizations aren't helping. We need them to see how Israel is on the wrong side, because simply calling them Nazis is just adding to the confusion. How can they be Nazis by supporting Jews, they'll say. It doesn't make sense.
The big parallel that makes israel so comparable to Nazism is that israel has ethnically cleansed all these Palestinians into a giant concentration camp and is systematically murdering them through starvation, mass executions and bombing.
Especially the starvation is just completely inexcusable. Children are currently dying en masse of starvation in Gaza.
Nazism was not just about Jews. It was about Black people, gay people and Gypsies too. Everyone not part of the "majority" group needed to die.
In fact most of the victims of WW2 on the European side were Russians. 20 Million. And we don't talk about the Germans.
Nazism is currently the most well known example of racial superiority because of bloodline.
I don't know why you keep telling me this. You keep drawing me into some conversation about how awful it is what's happening, and I agree. Israel is committing genocide. I never said otherwise. This isn't about that. I know what is happening. I'm just trying to give the German perspective because it's nothing like Germans are always supporting genocide or their culture is still full of Nazi shit. It isn't. Not saying their stance on Israel isn't wrong, the government still sides with Israel, but please try to be a little informed.