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Putin pledges truce if Ukraine exits occupied areas and drops NATO bid, likely a nonstarter for Kyiv (www.ctvnews.ca)

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Putin is so transparent. Let us keep what we have stolen and don't enter into any type of agreement for mutual defense and we will stop shooting until we get our forces built back up.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

It absolutely sucks that Ukraine was invaded. But this is what happens with war. The alternative is to continue dying, as they really don't stand a chance with the Milk toast support from the west.

I hope they have a reasonable counter offer so that the innocent civilians can stop suffering, or they accept defeat.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I mean, Ukraine is losing. What kind of deal do you think they can negotiate?

[+] [email protected] -7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

And what possible way has Ukraine lost this war?

Russia's goal was to topple Ukrainian government and see his complete control over the entire country in 3 days.

Here we are, 3 years into the war and Russia has lost something like 14,000 vehicles, over half a million casualties, and what have they achieved exactly?

Besides turtle tank technology of course.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They are literally losing territory. They even lost Avdiivka earlier this year, one their biggest fortresses. Are you seriously arguing that they are somehow winning?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

These folks would be like "here is how Hitler can still win" in 1945

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Why do you believe Russia thought it would control all of UA in 3 days? That doesn't match their actual military strategy, their stated goals, or their diplomatic behavior.

Instead, all signs point to Russia looking to force an early diplomatic agreement that secured the Donbas, with the Kiev push acting as both a way to split UA's resources and place pressure for agreement.

This also roughly lines up with the Western intervention to prevent a diplomatic agreement within days of the invasion.