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As an alcoholic, I initially agreed. Don't waste a liver on me. Then this:
What the actual fuck.
I'd have supported her paying out of pocket to use the live donor that was willing, but not to use my tax money when it's pretty fucking clear she has no intention of changing.
It's the same reason I'm largely against the Liberal's diabetes funding - ~90% of diabetics are Type 2 (I'm willing to help Type 1's out because it's not their fault) and the vast, vast majority of those are from unhealthy lifestyle even if they are genetically predisposed.
If were going to have a public health system, people should be required to take care of themselves. And no, I'm not talking about the one-off accidents from riskier activities (although I do think people should bear the cost of their own healthcare if it's the result of criminal activities), I'm taking the problems that occur as a result of abusing your body for years or decades.
Thats a dark road to tread.
An example,
no alchol consumption is safe, so using your line of thinking you'd need to argue that anyone who partakes of alcohol at any anytime would fall under that line of thinking
https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/04-01-2023-no-level-of-alcohol-consumption-is-safe-for-our-health
Processed red meats simailary, especially those treated with nitrites, so those eating bacon, ham etc shouldn't be entitled to public heath care under your reasoning
https://www.cancercouncil.com.au/1in3cancers/lifestyle-choices-and-cancer/red-meat-processed-meat-and-cancer/
Or are those things ok becase you do them ?
On the upside, now you've excluded 95% of the population, public healthcare will be cheap :)
Contra to most peoples thinking, if you're concerned about public healthcare costs, you should "encourage" obesiety and smoking, they all die early, most health care coats are associated with healthy people in their old age. See here
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/health/05iht-obese.1.9748884.html
Adults are stupid and greedy, we all are.
it does not cost the state A DIME, because it is insurance that covers healthcare, not taxes.
The loss is unrealized potential of those who are sick. so, that means the state invested like 150.000 bucks in one citizen, in hopes to get like one million bucks out of them
(not out of them specifically, but out of their labour; it is a chain, you see, and the labourer pays taxes, the factory pays taxes when selling the product, the consumer pays taxes when buying the product, and so on)
alcohol and obesity by diabetis harm EVERY cell in your body, period. thats hard biochemstry, facts, it is the truth.
red meat, on the other hand, is quite unclear.
the studies involving red meat are interesting;
people self report by remembering long periods of time, a salami pizza counts as red meat, as does a whole mc donalds burger with fries on the side.
as for nitrate, this gets complicating. you seem to be on the right path. nitrates are a new topic for me, i never before read up on them:
https://www.diagnosisdiet.com/assets/images/5/nitrate-content-45165560.png
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190311-what-are-nitrates-in-food-side-effects
https://livestock.extension.wisc.edu/articles/whats-the-deal-with-nitrates-and-nitrates-used-in-meat-products/
https://theconversation.com/why-nitrates-and-nitrites-in-processed-meats-are-harmful-but-those-in-vegetables-arent-170974
this is so tedious, no wonder everybody has a different oppinion
Perfect, let's just get rid of public healthcare then
Threads like this always bring out the uninformed. Itβs great. Easy to block them. Fish in a barrel.