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I'm just going by the sustained use of "bullying". If I had my way, I'd use signal with everyone, but I'm not going to ask 20 people to change for me whether it's superior or not.
Besides, I am much more of an idealist than that -- I see using a proprietary solution as just a bandaid even if I was up for doing the "bullying". The real solution is a decent standard for mobile texting. I think it's coming, largely due to the EU forcing apple to stop being annoying. In the meantime I'll just use WhatsApp when I have to and sms otherwise. Besides, there's usually no need for me outside of crappy photo res to use anything more than SMS, and in those cases email is easy and standard enough even for my mother.
I look forward to that standard because that would mean I can choose a better app and all my contacts can too if they choose, but it would be optional. Imo that's absolutely the way it should be.
I think I sort of see your perspective after this last message. Thanks for sending that and not being as annoyed as a standard Redditor would have been.
I think the fundamental issue left is just that I don't accept one standard to ever be good enough for all direct message communication, I also hope EU legislation will make the situation better. But I also believe we should know our tech and use it because we have a good reason to.
In the end of the day making good open standards should probably be easier than it is. More generally I think closed tech (IP) shouldn't exist, but neither good standards nor open tech exists in the real world unfortunately.
So as a consequence I just want people to make informed decisions to exploit what already exists in accordance with their own demands, whether I get them there by bullying or teaching or discussing is mostly just semantics to me. And if a group or person uses what seems from my perspective to be a bad tool, it is in my view a disservice to myself and them not to at least try a little to get them to use it.
Ty for the conversation as well, I had a feeling that you were actually trying to understand what I wanted to get across so I just sorta kept talking...
Generally I often notice people here are closer to me in position which makes for more interesting discussion, but it can also take quite some time to get to the actual disagreements because the disagreement are so slight.