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GNU make is confusing as hell and shouldn't be used in today's world.
Counterpoint: it's indispensable and nothing really fills the same niche.
I appreciate these brave words.
I agree, yet I also see no good universal alternative. Every language has a nice tool to do things in it's ecosystem, but the moment you need to coordinate two languages or go beyond simple stuff, make is the only good option.
Yep. And honestly most language specific versions of make still have glaring missing features. Which doesn't matter, until when it really matters.
I want to embrace a make replacement, but if the pattern holds, they will be prying make out of my cold dead hands to make me presentable for my funeral.
I agree that make is confusing at first but I don't think it should fall out of use. It's a great tool that I use everyday it is far simpler than its competitors once you get used to it. It is basically glorified bash scripting.
If it can't handle spaces and tabs without causing a crisis, it doesn't belong on this side of 1989.
Yeah that was annoying when I first found out about that but I use tabs for indentation anyways so it doesn't make a difference for me.
This comment fits the spirit of the question better than anything else in here, I will say that.
Meanwhile, Windows has become drastically better for development over the past few years. There are still some drawbacks, but a ton of the anti windows circlejerking in tech spaces is caused by people who haven't touched windows as a dev environment in 10+ years.
Of recent features, what exactly makes it better for development?
Seconding WSL, but that kinda proves the point. The solution to making Windows dev better was to add Linux.
Not OP, But WSL and its recent improvements come to mind. If you're deploying on a Linux box it makes it pretty seamless to develop.
No disrespect, but i must disagree.
My last experience with WSL, about a month ago on Win 11, had it a far cry from GNU/Linux. They don't even have a shoe-in for udev yet, and as a multimedia guy, that makes it almost unusable.
So Windows is better than Linux because it allows you to use a restricted version of Linux?
And the full version of windows. Honestly I love Linux with Wine for the same reason. I just encounter more hiccups that way rather than the WSL route. It's just more complicated to emulate GUIs.