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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

The questioning is stupid. There is no nuance on the categorisation of frequency because "always" and "sometimes" are put together. They do not mean the same thing! "Always" means "all the time", "sometimes" means "on occasions". I am an advocate for free speech as much as the next person, but there is limit to that right because history has shown what can happen if free speech is absolute-- which led us the Holocaust and the Rwandan genocide. Therefore, "sometimes" you COULD shout down someone depending on the content being spouted. So, on a case by case basis, "on occasions" you could shout down someone.

As another poster pointed out, the company who made the survey is conducted by conservative group, FIRE, which is Koch-funded so obviously there is clear bias and dishonesty in the framing of the survey.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (6 children)

You freedome ends where someone elses starts, otherwhise noone except you will be free, I don't get why Americans often have such a hard time with that!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The US never, in its history, had a collective trauma of unstifled free speech that led to any mass hate speech which then led to genocide. That's why many Americans are absolutists. But considering the Jan 6 capitol attack two years ago, being instigated by the words of Donald Trump, I think sooner or later a worse incident will come eventually. And the country will come reckoning with their absolutist approach to free speech.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

never led to genocide?? how about indigenous people?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I'm not trying to dismiss or diminish the oppression that happened to Native Americans, blacks and other minorities in the US, but abuse of free speech hasn't really been a factor into it-- not that I could think of. There have still been people who voiced out against the oppression and those people weren't silenced or killed for doing so (aside from those who suffered from mob justice, which is different to government-sanctioned killings like the Holocaust).

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