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His point is wrong.
Wrong how? The Microsoft mouse was released in 1983 with 2 buttons. The first time Macs had a second mouse button was with OSX which was released in 2001.
Macs have always supported right mouse clicks. They’re just unnecessary in most cases. On top of that, no one Cmd+clicks because there aren’t anymore 1-button mice since the new mice are multitouch surfaces.
So, in other words, he’s wrong for multiple reasons.
I love when people are confidently wrong.
Mac's have not "always supported right mouse clicks." https://www.wired.com/2000/10/eek-a-two-button-mac-mouse/
I also love when people are confidently wrong. OS8 supported 2-button mice, along with OS9, and OSX. You’re confusing the fact that Apple’s mice didn’t have 2 buttons with whether or not any 2-button mice worked. I know because I owned one. On top of that, you can still, to this day, emulate OS8 and OS9 and use the “secondary” click.
So are you going to admit you were wrong or are you going to gaslight me and tell me I didn’t use a two-button mouse more than 2 decades ago?
http://www.gearlive.com/index.php/news/article/why-apple-makes-a-one-buttoned-mouse-01280820/
“Apple supports multi-button mice. Right out of the box. Furthermore, this is not a ‘new feature’ of OS X. Support for contextual menus (the primary use for the two button mouse) have been around since OS 8.6, which is now more than seven years old. Let me repeat, Apple supports multi-button mice.”
After a deep dive of research into ADB and reading about the extended mouse protocol, i relent that yes Apple did support multiple mouse buttons for a long time.
However, also seeing that Apple's own first party multi-button mouse that supported right clicking only came out in 2005... your point is just like saying that old cars with 8-track playes supports Spotify cause i have my phone auxed into a converter.
So, factually, you're correct. But his point still stands.
That analogy is terrible. You could plugin a 2 button mouse and clicking the 2nd button gave you contextual menus. You’re just being dishonest. There was no converter necessary.
I'm not being dishonest.
Apple never supplied you the mouse, it was hardware that you bought separately, just like the 8-track to Aux converter in my analogy. Apple only relented to providing you a mouse that supports 2 button clicks in 2005. That's something Microsoft has provided since day 1 which is why "they're late to the party". It also emphasizes how apple wants to limit it's user's experience despite their machine's capabilities.
I'm pretty sure that meets the requirements for the original point.
You are, though. You only said two things that I pointed out were both wrong.
First you said that Macs didn’t have right click until OSX in 2001. That’s wrong no matter which way you want to spin it. Macs as machines supported it before 2001. Apple didn’t include a mouse with a 2nd button until 2005 (and it wasn’t even a second button, it was a multi-touch mouse).
Then you just said that Microsoft provided something. Microsoft didn’t make computers back then. They never bundled any mice with any software so you’re wrong on that count too.
The argument was never about whether Apple supplied a mouse. You’re being dishonest and you won’t even fess up when called out. So… more dishonesty.