Illinois hates Florida nazis.
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I didn't even need to click on this. :)
pause at 27 seconds and you'll see DeSantis's uncle/bro/cousin behind the main guy
This doesn't even matter. Unless he's barred from the general election ballot, he's already won the GOP primaries. Haley just won't cave until she's forced to.
Haley just won’t cave until she’s forced to.
Haley is clearly staying in for the likely reality that Trump is found guilty and the small chance that the Republican party chooses not to have a convicted federal criminal as their candidate. She knows based on the numbers she has no shot, but she's angling to stay in so she can swoop in when Trump is disqualified.
How likely that is to happen to up to interpretation, but it's pretty clear at this point that's Haley's game plan.
Haley is clearly staying in for the likely reality that Trump is found guilty and the small chance that the Republican party chooses not to have a convicted federal criminal as their candidate
And because Trump is old and unhealthy and could pass away
Also possibilities: -Trump passes away -Trump leaves the country -Trump runs but loses, and Haley gets "told you so" status as the GOP likely tosses Trump under the bus for delivering so many consecutive losses (2018, his own in 2020, and to some extent the weak 2022 performance can be attributed to his election denial and the party rallying behind that). If the GOP loses in 2024, then I could easily see the party decide they must go 'beyond Trump', and politicians that consistently looked 'anti-Trump' may be in a strong position in that scenario.
Seeing as she is in her early 50s, which is downright an infant by the standards of the presidential race, she can afford to run a long game of prepping for a likely 2028 race.
Of course if Trump wins in 2024, her political career won't go anywhere, but it's a fair bet to plan for the contingency of him losing.
If current disqualifications hold, Trump will have lost access to 33 electoral college votes and needs 270 to win. Assuming it's Trump vs Biden in the general, that's almost half a California.
2020 went 306-232. Trump won 2016 304-227 partly due to faithless electors.
At the current pace and schedule of the impending Trump trials, and after accounting for judgments already rendered and how those are affecting Republican party bankrolls, it's gonna be a blowout. He's on track to lose another 3 dozen electors by October and that's guessing hyper conservatively
Let's not get comfortable though. We all still need to get out and vote come November.
Haley is almost as bad for America, and definitely worse for Palestine and Ukraine than Biden, who she is projected to beat. The difference, quite frankly, is just how blatant the corruption will be.
In the debates, Haley pretty strongly advocated to sending lethal aid to Ukraine (I guess you could be arguing that sending aid to Ukraine, prolonging the war, is bad for Ukraine).
The entire Republican party is a threat to democracy and human rights at this point in time. Project 2025 will likely go ahead with any Republican president. Crazy right-wing, christo-fascist, and "states rights" civil servants and justices will be appointed, and they'd probably be able to lock Demcrats out of control of the federal government for decades to come (by allowing intense gerrymandering, strategic polling location placement, giving state governments the ability to override voting results, etc).
I don't worry that she will end democracy.
She will do a bunch of dumb Republican stuff and make America objectively worse for a lot of people. But the Republic will survive her presidency at least.
Trump, not so much.
Correct me if I'm wrong but being removed from the primary ballot has no real standing for general election. It doesn't matter that he can't be on the primary when the GOP has chosen him already. It's just posturing. He hasn't lost any electoral votes.
You're not wrong.
You're not wrong. However, it's still massively consequential because if he can be taken off the ballot for the primary, he will also be taken off the ballot for the general. It will be interesting to see how SCOTUS rules. Will they decide to create a new legal test at the federal level? Will they throw it back to Congress? Since they supposedly love states rights so much, will they leave it up to each state to decide?
Each option is incredibly consequential. Option 1 allows the Supreme Court to disqualify candidates. Option 2 turns it into a political contest, like an impeachment proceeding. Option 3 is absolute chaos, since we know some states will disingenuously retaliate by removing Biden from their ballot regardless of whether there is any merit to an insurrection charge.
Right. I wasn't trying to say that this isn't setting precedent that will help for later rulings. Let's just not count our chickens before they hatch. Some people are acting like Trump is already down electoral votes because of this, which he isn't. That's the only point I was trying to make l.
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Trump was never going to win Illinois anyway.
Yes but we also have this going on.
And what do these people think Trump would do about Israel?
They don't care. They just don't want to be an accomplice by voting for Joe Biden.
They're fine if their inaction leads to Trump winning and fucking up Palestine even more.
At least their 'conscience' will be clear.
Dumbfucks.
I'm baffled as to how people can knowingly make things worse and feel good about because what they did was "right". The whole idea that an action can be right despite making things worse for everyone is completely alien to me, but I know that's literally how some people think.
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If they are voting in the primary, I doubt they will skip the general election. It's more than likely a reminder to the administration that their voter base is not happy with the current decision making. If they are protesting stuff like this, they are most likely D voters anyway (over 90 % of D voters are pro-ceasefire vs 53? % for the R voterbase.
Yeah I'm having a very hard time feeling any comfort with that concept strongly looming.
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is it a blue state ?
Very much so, but like many other US states, the urban area (Chicago) is more liberal and the rural areas are conservative. But on balance the whole state is very Blue.
Yeah, 80% of the state's population is clustered around Chicago and St Louis. The rest of the state is red af but sparsely populated.
red af but sparsely populated
A.k.a. light pink
Medium
Southern Illinois may as well be it's own state. Feels like you're going back in time to some bizzaro land hellscape mix of 1955 and 2005.
Accurate description, but it's quicker to just say "may as well be Indiana".
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Ya
Okay then. Well, it is still good news.
Crab rave? 🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀🦀
Do the rest of them now. The law should be the same across America regarding traitorous insurrectionists.
Nice
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