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Insert <it's not much but it's honest work> meme. It only supports ints and bools, some logic and simple arithmetics and it compiles to Java but damn was it hard to get that far.
Can you guess what everything does?
It only supports ints and bools, some logic and simple arithmetics and it compiles to Java but damn was it hard to get that far.
I have a bachelor’s in computer science and I don’t think I would be able to do that…
Compiler courses are typically master level.
My college must have been full of sadists. They had undergrad compiler courses and required students to take them.
Im having a mandatory compiler course on my 3rd year of (french) bachelor
Compilers are a specialized topic - and syntax design is fiddly - but it really is no harder than any other sort of program. A lot of the hard theoretical work was done back in the sixties and seventies. You don't have to start from scratch. These days it's "only" a matter of implementing the features you want and making sure your syntax doesn't leave itself open to multiple interpretations. (just as arithmetic, e.g. '5 × 4 - 1' requires some rules to make sure there's only one correct interpretation, so do language syntaxes need to be unambiguous to parse. )
Don't get me wrong - writing a language is a lot of work and it's super cool that OP has done this! I just want to stress that language development is 100% doable with an undergrad degree. If you understand recursion and how to parse a string you already have all the theory you need to get started.
Valuable input! I actually am an undergrad student. There are a lot of frameworks out there that support writing languages, with MPS being one of them.
If I'd start from scratch again and had a little more time, I'd frankly try writing an interpreter myself, instead of trying to conform to weird framework syntax, which I won't be able to reuse in any other context.
Saying syntax design is fiddly is an understatement. I focused very hard on getting an abstract syntax somehow finished before working on generation in my first iteration. Then I had so much technical debt, that I couldn't get anything to work and had to rewrite a lot. So I scrapped it all and started again, starting with top level concepts including generation and only implementing some lower level ones, once everything around it worked properly.
No cap is cracking me up. This is great stuff
Does it compile into JVM bytecode or Java source code?
JVM bytecode is one of the most infuriating IRs I ever had the displeasure to work with, and if you managed to make a compiler for that, I applaud you.
Fortunately I generate Java source code from it. However MPS generates both source and byte code when you build the solution. For some reason I can't get the byte code to run though, but the source code does, so I don't care too much.
Why aren’t the booleans like “facts” or “no cap” for true and cap for “false”?
Also, you could have exceptions be called “Sus”
Because it was easier to use Java primitives than implement the constants myself.
It only supports ints and bools, some logic and simple arithmetics
That’s more than you need.
It’s really cool, but the example doesn’t produce any sensible output? If you have created something like this, why wouldn’t you have your demo output something sensible like Fibonacci or 1337 or whatever.
Great idea if I have to extend it
I'm opening an issue on your ticket tracker to add filesystem i/o. Let the nightmare commence
Impressive, no cap!
I swear, Zoomers are like the steve buscemi "fellow kids" meme, but somehow everyone in the scene is young
Anyway, nice compiler. Might feel basic to you, but writing a back end for a low level IR format is not that much harder.
Jetbrains MPS?
It's a tool for designing domain specific languages. Really interesting!
Oh metaprogramming! I'm doing a dissertation on this.
Very cool, I'd be interested in your publications once you're done. I like metaprogramming, but once you realise you might have needed it, you're already knee deep in fresh legacy code.
You essential have a compiler written through metaprogramming. For your implementation, did you use a find and replace or did you define and parse a grammar like a true compiler.
MPS uses projectional editing. Which means for the user that everything you do is free from concrete syntax, and you basically edit a graphical representation of that abstract syntax tree directly, while it looks like you're in a textual editor.
So I define abstract nodes that may have certain relationships with each other and then give them a representation in the editor (which is what you see in the screenshot). These nodes may also have generators assigned to them, which use map/reduce operations to generate whatever source code I desire. It usually includes its own bit of code, and triggers code generation of its children as well.
I hope that was somehow clear 😄
That's cool but also makes me cringe.
Is flex X on the haters a way of logging to console?
Yes, it pretty much just wraps the expression in a "System.out.println();"
Maybe "flex X" outputs to stdout and "flex X on the haters" outputs to stderr?
I like the way you think! 😂
flex X on the fools does verbose logs only.
"based"
Vibe check is your scope declaration (class?)
num is obviously your int class
fr? is your Boolean class
if __ no cap is ' if __ then', if cap is 'else', sheesh ends the conditional
flex __ on the haters is your echo/print
frfr is your scope ending
Correct!
Vibe check is pretty much the scope. Classes aren't a thing (yet).
It's so beautiful!
Now I'm thinking about how to alias "flex X on the haters" into other development environments...
Looks like you've got a bug in there.
if false no cap
canYouSeeMe = false
if cap
canYouSeeMe = true
sheesh
Won't this always go into the else/cap condition since the if condition is checking to see that false == true?
You're correct, but it doesn't really matter for demo purposes. In an actual use case (whatever that would be for this language) you would of course want to use some kind of variable or expression there instead of a constant.
class Scratch {
// Start of file
public static void main(args: string[]) {
int number1 = 2;
number 1 = 10;
int number2 = 13;
boolean fo_sure = true;
if (fo_sure) {
number1 = number1 + 5 - 10 * 2 / 3;
}
System.out.println(number1);
boolean canYouSeeMee = false;
System.out.println(canYouSeeMe);
if (false) {
canYouSeeMe = false;
} else {
canYouSeeMe = true;
}
System.out.println(canYouSeeMe);
}
}
What’d I win?
I find it interesting and unnerving that I understood the code, but not the youthspeak.
Well done, here's your price: 🏅
You may redeem it for a star on a GitHub repo of your choice.
It all gets put into the main method though in this version 😄
canYouSeeMe = !canYouSeeMe;
People are designing languages with JetBrains MPS and I am making an AWK interpreter in C with Yacc, Lex and my own implementation of ASDL. Why do I do this to myself? It seems like the technology I like is way behind. Like C is a language created for freaking mini-computers like VAX and PDP-11 and I still use it? I knew about MPS, I just felt a strong dislike towards it. Now that I am no longer a pill addict, I have to reconsider the technology I choose to implement my stuff. C lacks portability, and QoL features.
(Psyche! All you n000bz can be stuck with your Fischer-Price toys
I'll do it MY way, the 70s WAY!!!!1)
We think alike friend
Don't lose your passion, doing things the shit old way can also make you a better programmer in the newer paradigms
Although, I recommend you at least learn C++23
don't worry , it can always get worse . source : I implemented a esoteric programming language of my own making with just a parser (no lexer !) and a tree walking interpreter while reimplementing a standard library and depending on undefined behavior in python . honestly I fear that code more each time I look at it
Reading this comment and then looking up and seeing that your username ends with PDP11 was *chef’s kiss*