Boeing: How much trouble is the company in?
Not as much as they should be in, probably.
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A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.
Which car company did you say you worked for again?
A major one.
Why do you expect it to be different for any of them?
It's a sequence of quotes from Fight Club
They have to factor in the cost of the reputational damage too. But yeah, it’s all a dollar game.
the first rule...
we don’t talk about Bruno
No trouble at all. It's impossible to get into trouble when there is no competition.
except from Airbus... so yeah. there's competition.
Objectively? In a lot of trouble. Real world, though? They are one of the largest companies that feeds/works for the American Military Weapons Complex plus they are also among the largest lobbying/donors of the Federal Government. Just behind pharma.
Likely not a all... The only chance these behemoth companies get punished is by the public turning on them but they have already insulated themselves from that (most people would not know how to avoid their planes when booking the next vacation on Expedia)
In a properly working environment, even a Capitalist one, the government should intervene, jail the board, and either nationalize it or auction it off for parts... The most important part is really the jailing of the board
Boeing and the american government are too deep in bed. Nothing significant will happen. Maybe a few executives get fired just to satisfy the demands for action. In fact the american government will likely bail the company out when things take a dive (their stock as well as their aircraft).
Sadly, I believe you are 100% right
They also likely murdered John Barnett, but I'm sure they are too big to fail or be tried for murder.
Kinda hard to try a corporation for murder and stick it in jail, even though we all know it’s a person.
Whole company? Very difficult.
Whole board of directors? That’s easy
I miss North American Aviation.
Even if Boeing doesn't face any real consequences, I hope airlines take this time to just go full Airbus even if it's out of fear from future litigation and not inherent customer safety. Airbus should also jump on this opportunity and offer some good deals for actual functioning and safety tested aircraft.
The founder, William Boeing, was a a white segregationist, active against mixed racial marriages, believed in the pure white blood and shit. His parents were Austrian/ German, Böing. America, the land of opportunity.
Sure, and Henry Ford was an out-and-out antisemite who published a newspaper where he serialized the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and Hitler kept a photo of him on his desk.
That doesn't mean we should expect Ford cars to fall apart on the road.
It's way too late to be pissed off about William Boeing or Henry Ford. Or Hugo Boss or Ferdinand Porsche, who directly worked with the Nazis.
Or IBM or the Coca-Cola company, which did too.
Etc.
Henry Ford is also the reason kids learn square dancing in school. I actually had to learn how to dance like a hillbilly in gym class because some long-dead antisemite was once convinced that jazz music and the Charleston (read: black people and anything cultural that they contribute) would corrupt the youth, who could only be saved by the purity of barnyard dancing.
I don't know how this contributes to the conversation at hand, but I think about it a lot.
Did you learn other kinds of dance too? That sounds...not bad.
No, just square dancing. Nothing else.
That was my grade school experience as well. Even as a child I was confused by how much square dancing they made us do and absolutely no other forms of dance.
Yes, it's truly wild how often things in the United States often originate from a fascistic or cultish source. Daylight savings time, cereal, etc. granted it's been almost 40 years. I don't know if they still do it. But they did back in the '70s and '80s for sure. But with all the satanic panic of the '90s I doubt they started pushing it any less LOL.
How does DST tie in?
Initially it was called war time. And it was even used even in Europe from WWI through WWII. But post WWII most abandoned it. Including the United States. It had nothing to do with farmers. They're actually one of the groups most against it.
It was standardized in the United States in 1966 at the behest of wealthy retailers who lobbied the government. Believing the extra hour of daylight correlated in some meaningful way to increased sales. It didn't. But that was the rationale.
The most recent changes to DST, pushing it to the first of November. Happened in the late 2010's. Largely pushed for by candy makers/retailers, again claiming it would boost sales and somehow be safer. (Halloween)
It was a PE activity in my school.
Coca Cola?
From what I understand they severed all business with Germany when the war started and because of this Germany had to start making Fanta.
Be that as it may, Boeing himself was a stickler for quality and set a vision of quality and excellence that made Boeing aircraft some of the safest in the fleet, up until their merger with McDonnell Douglas. It was said he'd rather go out of business than ship a shoddy product.
The corporation isn't the person. That's sort of the point.
I had the pleasure of interviewing several engineers from Boeing with PhDs and almost the worst interviews ever. Very awkward interviews and possibly the worst in person interview ever.