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You know, I always used to say they ought to do this. But now, presented with the reality of it, I don't like it at all.
Yeah I get wanting it, but I don’t want a government that can do it. I also don’t think a reasonable interpretation of the bill of rights allows it. How is removing body parts not cruel and unusual punishment?
The state having the power to do this is horrible. A victim doing this to their attacker with a butter knife on the other hand.
This is because we can be of two minds about these things. You can have a personal response to heinous acts, but still think the government ought to be better.
If some guy murders the murderer of their kid, I can absolutely 100% understand why, and I could even admit that I might do the same in their position. But I still think that as a society we should not lower ourselves to this standard and I will always be against the death penalty (especially because the system will never be perfect and I will never think it's worth killing even one innocent person by accident).
It's why vigilante justice is so easily understood, but it's still something we, as a society, shouldn't accept.
Emotional reactions can cloud our minds to these things. But I absolutely agree with you. This is horrendous and barbarous. I can still somewhat understand the "he deserves it for what he did"-response, but I'm absolutely against this on a deeper level.
Any punishment with no possibility of back pedaling should never be given. The chances of permanently harming a potentially innocent person are far too great.
I'm usually on that side of the discussion, too, but this case doesn't leave much room for the guy to be innocent. Beyond the "pleading guilty" part, which is sometimes done strategically, he's the biological father of the kid a 14yo got. There is no shot at this being a mistake at this point.
I still agree though; if this should exist, it must require even stricter than the usual "beyond reasonable doubt" conditions or something.
This falls squarely under no cruel and unusual punishment for me. Heinous as the crime was this is just inhuman.
Look, this guy is obviously a monster, but castrating someone doesn't undo the harm. That's just barbaric. Hard labor making license plates all day? Sure. Long sentence? I could see that.
We gotta have some moral minimums, though. Stuff like execution and castration is too far. What if they have the wrong guy? Even if it was him, mutilating their bodies is not what we should be doing on this continent.
enslavement is also barbaric
Wouldn't this be considered "cruel or unusual punishment" which is banned by the constitution?
Yes.
Let's not cheer a society that cuts off the balls of rapists, just like we don't cheer for societies that cut off the hands of thieves.
In my opinion, given the crime this dude absolutely deserves this. With that being said the problem I have with this is the same I have with the death penalty. What happens when they accidentally or sometimes even intentionally get the wrong person? 4% of people who get sentenced to death are innocent. Even if that number is .4% I'm not okay with occasionally killing someone who is innocent. It's only a matter of time before they sentence someone to have their testicles removed and they find out later oopise they didn't commit the crime.
castration doesnt even do anything for most sex crime offenders.
Cause its not physical lust that drives most of it, its a psychological drive.. and that psychological need/drive doesnt go away just cause you castrate someone, whether physically or chemically.
in addition to what you're talking about, with the inherent risk of an innocent person running afoul of the law.
You see, your issue is that you are using your brain instead of asking for brutal retribution
What the shit? Are they going to bring back "an eye for an eye" next?
What does physical or chemical castration even mean? And why is this a punishment when he is 100 years old?
Also, under current law there, no abortions are allowed unless life of mother is at risk, so they will castrate the rapist but force the mother to give birth?
What the actual fuck
Chemical castration is the lowering of hormones medically. Physical castration would by physical removal of the testes.
Welcome back to the dark ages. See you at next week's drawing and quartering. It's right after the hangings! Hopefully we get some real kickers!
Lowering hormones medically? Sounds like something Trans, and that's illegal in the south.
I'll take, "Laws that violate the 8th Amendment" for $100, Alex.
Nah see the 8th amendment no longer applies because he's a criminal.
-Louisiana State Supreme Court
Probably
Why add the physical castration part to plea if it doesn’t take effect until he’s 100, seems so pointless.
The American legal system is so barbarically fucked up.
I suspect it's a legal strategy he concocted with his lawyers: Chemical castration might have a different time period in which it is applied (because longer duration), maybe even starting right after the sentence becomes effective. As the summary here states, the physical version that he opted for himself(!) is not to be applied until a week before the sentence ends, which gives him a chance of a lot of things to happen before, laws to change etc & eventually get out of this without being castrated at all.