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Thanks! I guess foreign languages nowadays are just a minor inconvenience.
That said, apologising for sharing an article in one, is an even smaller inconvenience for me, so I can as well do it, for the sake of the few who may feel that its a huge burden
Seeing posts in languages other than my mother tongue is something that I like about Lemmy. Never be ashamed of your native language and the beautiful variety that it adds to the human experience.
Unless you're French.
While English is most of the time the lowest common denominator, I love to see some variety!
Why do governments and schools force people to buy crap from scammy companies? I don't ever want to have to deal with shit from Microsoft
In the Scandinavian countries this sort of software is usually provided by the school/university, so the students don't have to buy it. You may however be (essentially) forced to use that software, since other options aren't supported. The exam software my uni uses for instance only runs on Windows & MacOS.
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Because, if you're expected to use or at least understand that software in the work force then schooling should cover it. Open source is nice and some countries have adopted LibreOffice as their standard but Word is still so commonplace in many industries that it is an essential tool for document writing in the age of computers.
Open source software might not directly be used in the workplace but if someone can't adapt from LibreOffice to MS Office they won't be able to adapt to MS Office updates either. It's been decades since productivity software had significantly different feature sets for most users. That weird legacy Excel formula the Finance Department uses will need training no matter how many years of Office experience a new hire has.
Alright but we're not going to teach people both and we're not going to teach people neither, so you shouldn't be surprised that a large institution picked the corporate product.
The schools recommend windows or mac computers but not browser based computers like Chromebooks, basically because the software that they use for the education can't be installed.
I know it sounds crazy, but a better free alternative exists.
It sounds insane to me they would use a suite where they have no control over its state.. Can't they at least block the updates? Just imagine you're a student and your success depends on the incompetence of others
your success depends on the incompetence of others
This is an excellent lesson to learn in school since it happens a lot in life.
Fair enough, but if it was at work or something you can at least say, 'eh at least I still get paid' Here you have no recourse options.
edit: Having read the translation now. It seems the students do have a choice in which software suite they use. So I guess they did have a recourse. So in the end it was their own responsibility. I guess it was a good lesson then.
Here you have no recourse options
I can't speak for every University, but some have a way for you to appeal issues like this to the Dean.
I would imagine they have a similar setup as here in Norway (who's also experiencing this issue) where the students own the machine and they aren't centrally managed, especially the Mac's
What do you recommend? I love LibreOffice on Windows and Linux, and it still works well on macOS but the GUI seems weird on it, the buttons are really large. I still use it but my partner is put off by it.
LaTeX, code and compile your documents instead of fighting with word.
OnlyOffice is nice, but a tad controversial. It's UI is much much closer to how 365 looks.
What's controversial about OnlyOffice?
I only recently discovered it, and I've been happy with it so far. I've found the interface a little more snappy and easy to use than LibreOffice.
I don't remember exactly, but something about it's license maybe.
Honestly Markdown is perfectly fine 99% of the time. It also has many advantages by just being much simpler
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Why are they using Word in an exam in the first palace? Like, to write an essay? Our non-pen-and-paper exams were all using some web platform that worked pretty well.
Both middle school and high school in Denmark are required to use computers for Danish, English, German etc exams. It’s used for essays and other tests. It’s been like this since the early 2000.
It's mostly for students with issues that puts them at a bigger disadvantage to those that are "normal" when writing with a pen. Learning difficulties and motor function issues and differences alike. I used a word processor in exams towards the end of college due to learning difficulties and a subconscious grip that would ache my hand with overuse of a pen that slowed me down compared to others by a lot.
This is not true. At least not here in Denmark. Computers are ackctually required
You can even see in the picture above that everyone has a pc
Can a school lend you a computer if you don't have one of your own? Or only have a shared stationary one?
Some schools do and others dont. It depends on what municipality they are and how they are budgeted. That said, all students get paid 6.820 kr. (€914/$916) a month while they study by the state and are offered very affordable loans. Also the actual education is free so getting a PC is often no more of a problem than buying books
And are books required to be bought? We usually use books that are easy to download for free.
I have to answer based on what I hear and not that may be the case. I believe that this depends on the education. Some require one to buy books, but there is a thriving marked for second hand books. I would not be surprised though if many also are available for free downloads, but I can't be sure
It's Denmark, everyone can afford a laptop, even if it is difficult for someone the government pays you $900 USD a month to study.
Oh wow. (cries in the corner with my uni paying me $40 a month)
Bet the school and students will continue to use Word and risk future critical times with proprietary software they're not in control of.
LibreOffice is pretty capable. There are also web-based options.
I just wish compatibility was better. Even if I save in ODT format in either Word or Writer, opening the file in the other program almost always results in formatting errors. Not to mention using DOC/DOCX.
have you tried onlyoffice?
In the past yeah. I still had formatting break in some cases.
Man I feel old, back in my day we weren't allowed to use anything more powerful than a TI83 on most exams and the answers were on scantrons or paper due to fears of using the internet to cheat. These days with GPT I'm surprised that's not even more of a concern.
I feel you! When i took my exams we didn't even have the internet!
Here is the translation of the Danish text into English:
"Chaos and Confusion" during Exams after Word Update Ministry warns that Microsoft programs may cause problems for students with Mac computers during written exams.
For several written exams, students with Mac computers have experienced issues with Microsoft Word if they had the latest version of the program installed.
BY Thomas Prakash TODAY AT 10:42
High school student Silje Højer Lauritsen was about an hour into her exam on Thursday when her computer started having problems. Suddenly, her Word program began running slowly. The word processing program "froze," and she could not save her answers for the assignment in the marketing subject, where she was explaining companies' value chains.
- It was really frustrating, especially because you are already so stressed and have so many thoughts during an exam, she says. Many of the other students in the exam room at the HHX high school in Risskov, Aarhus Business College, experienced similar problems. Silje Højer Lauritsen estimates nearly half of them did.
Problems at several high schools IT staff and teachers ran in and out of the room to help the students, and they ended up giving them an extra hour to complete the exam. However, not everyone succeeded.
It was almost as if it wasn't an exam anymore because there was so much chaos and confusion. SILJE HØJER LAURITSEN, STUDENT, HHX HIGH SCHOOL IN RISSKOV
- I have a friend who had her assignment deleted because of it, and now she has to take a makeup exam in August, says Silje Højer Lauritsen.
At several other high schools in the country, the same problems have been experienced in recent days.
- It caused a lot of unrest in the exam situation for the affected students, says Flemming Madsen, IT manager at Aalborg Business College. The problem is due to a recent update to Microsoft Word, which can cause the program to run slowly and crash for students with Mac computers.
'Use other programs, or take frequent backups' The Ministry of Education is aware of the problem and warns educational institutions that there may be issues with the latest version of Word and Excel for Mac users.
- Users who have updated the programs to the latest version may find that the programs run slowly, freeze, and crash. This means that examinees are delayed in their work, and parts of their answers risk being lost, writes the Danish Agency for Education and Quality and the Danish Agency for IT and Learning in a message to schools.
- We encourage institutions to inform students about this problem so they can take precautions, such as taking frequent backups or using other similar programs, the recommendation says. One solution could be to uninstall the new version and reinstall an earlier version of the program - downgrading Word from version 16.85 to version 16.84.
Help to solve the problem The Danish Agency for IT and Learning provides guidance on its website on how Mac users can solve the problem and downgrade to an older version of Microsoft Word.
Distracted from the task The ministry states that it is not responsible for the use of so-called third-party programs used by institutions and students and therefore does not have an overview of how many were affected by the problems. At the HHX high school in Risskov, Silje Højer Lauritsen felt that the IT problems made an already stressful situation even more stressful.
- It was almost as if it wasn't an exam anymore because there was so much chaos and confusion, she says.
- I felt that it took a lot of focus away from my tasks.
Microsoft apologizes At Microsoft, one of the world's largest IT companies, they regret that the latest update is causing problems.
- We are aware that there may be issues with the latest version of some of our products for Mac users, reads a written response from Microsoft in Denmark.
- We apologize for the inconvenience and take the problem very seriously. We are in close contact with our product team, who are working to solve the problem. In the meantime, we encourage all affected users to follow the recommendations to reinstall an earlier version and take frequent backups, says Microsoft.
At Microsoft, autocorrecting "apple" to "appelle" is such such a minor and humourous oopsies that they will use to force an update on all users next week at 4:59pm when they are all trying to save stuff before going home. But in the real world, that's annoying as heck.
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If Microsoft fails their exams, you fail too (:
"Use löpande backups" I mean isn't that built in? Could they just use something else? Like LibreOffice is a thing that exists.
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