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I find it hard to believe that, outside of work computers, many people would be choosing Windows over Mac or Linux, especially is AI is their goal.

I'm also curious why the comments are turned off for this article unless it is a paid ad for Microsoft.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 months ago

This story is exclusively for subscribers of Notepad, our newsletter uncovering Microsoft’s era-defining bets in AI, gaming, and computing.

It's worse than a paid ad. It's an ad. You have to pay to see.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago (9 children)

Apple hardware is overpriced and they go out of their way to make it unrepairable.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (6 children)

This is the reason I will never buy an apple device and go out of my way to (try and) convince people in my circle not to buy apple devices.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

The only apple things I've ever owned was an IPod. And I never paid full price for that shit.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago

By Betteridge's law of headlines: no. Also: this is an ad.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

If you look at the price for a Mac versus a Windows computer, I think it's pretty obvious why people might choose a Windows device. For Linux, you really have to know where to look to buy a laptop that is shipped or warrantied with Linux. People tend to buy Windows computers because that's what's advertised available, familiar and in their price bracket.

Disclaimer: my main laptop is Mac. I have a secondary one running Linux and although I have a work laptop running Windows, that wasn't my choice and I don't have Windows on any personal devices.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Linux is not quite normie stream ready but boy is it getting close.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Ubuntu and it's spin-offs are really are as close as we're ever going to get to a full, user-friendly Linux OS. At least one that isn't going to scare off as many people.

It's just when you tell people the part where you have to keep track of some of the software that they use through the terminal, that's when you start seeing them trickle off back to Windows.

Because the average user doesn't have the patience, time or know-how to utilize commands in a terminal. If you plopped them down during the era where DOS was prominent, they'd be so lost and be begging for a UI to handle everything.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Ubuntu and it's spin-offs are really are as close as we're ever going to get to a full, user-friendly Linux OS

Why do you think it will not progress much from now on?

You don't need to use the terminal for Linux at all now AFAIK. Ubuntu / GNOME already has a nice software store as a UI.

There are some rough edges I really don't understand why they haven't addressed yet that seem like very low hanging fruit, but overall IMO it's very close to being there.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I find it hard to believe that, outside of work computers, many people would be choosing Windows over Mac or Linux, especially is AI is their goal.

I'm sorry, why? Microsoft basically owns OpenAI and has begun integrating it into their products. Apple doesn't have any AI capabilities beyond Siri.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

They only announced replacing siri with an ai alternative about a month ago. The lack of copilot features is making osx the obvious winner now. Incompetence is making apple the good guy for a short period.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (10 children)

I will never use a Windows laptop because it wakes up in the middle of the night to apply some stupid update, then glitches out, and can't go back to sleep. So every morning I find a laptop with a dead battery. Sometimes if I wake up early, it'll still be hot from whatever it was doing.

Fixing that stupid bug should have been easier than porting the whole OS and app stack and emulator to a new CPU arch. And I have no faith they fixed the bug anyway, so it'll probably still happen to ARM models. So no thank you.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's actually astounding, how weirdly unmaintained Windows is in many areas. Just look at the settings chaos. There are three completely different settings trees, and at least for me, it's impossible to know which one to choose for a given task.

There's constantly stuff going on in the background for no reason and updates take forever and require 7 reboots. That's not okay.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

SSDs boot fast enough that I just hard shut down windows at night whenever I have to boot into it -- usually for games, since all my non-vr games run on Linux but I have a Quest 2, and Linux support for those is Incredibly sketchy.

It can't wake from sleep/hibernation if it's fully powered off and there's no windows code running to wake it.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

For anyone wondering what the issues with sleep in windows are, the problem is that instead of using traditional S3 sleep (suspend to RAM) Microsoft has been pushing hard for "Modern Standby" where insted of only the RAM being powered the whole system is powered on and kept in a low power mode.

In theory this can provide a shorted wake time (because apparently the approx 5 seconds provided by S3 sleep isn't good enough). The problem is that Windows will sometimes wake up to do maintenance and drain your battery.

You might be able to fix it by disabling Modern Standby (also called S0ix, Connected Standby and S2Idle)in your BIOS. Unfortunetly a lot of modern BIOSes no longer offer the option to disable it and even sometimes lack support for traditional S3 sleep.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

For those who unfortunately have to use Windows laptops for work, there is a workaround. Unplug the laptop before putting it to sleep/hibernate. That's it. Super irritating they won't fix it, but not surprising, too busy trying to shove (more) ads into the start menu.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

I have felt this pain. You can fix it by putting it into hibernation instead of sleep. Still only one of many annoyances from Windows.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Windows beats Mac on price.
Windows beats Linux on compatability.

Really all there is to it.

If you want to spend 3x the money, get a Mac.

If you're comfortable dealing with software incompatibility, install Linux.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

Unless your laptop isn't brand new, at which point Linux absolutely beats Windows on compatibility.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

My MacBook Air is 9 years old and still running strong. I’ve more than gotten my moneys worth out of it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Unfortunately this is mostly true.......

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

unless you work with foss software then linux tends to work better

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I find it really frustrating to not have a touchscreen on a laptop (e.g. scrolling and zooming Google maps).

I don't understand what I'm getting for the price difference compared to a similar windows laptop.

I don't like how the Ctrl/Fn/Alt/Cmd keys are used, but that's just because I'm used to Windows. (Remapping then doesn't help because commands are divided differently been those modifiers).

I do like that it has a native bash shell instead of having WSL with its separate filesystem. But I doubt that that is a common reason people choose macs.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

There is pinch to zoom and multitouch gestures on the trackpad, which I consider a lot more convenient than a touchscreen since my hand is already there.

I haven't actually bought a Mac in a long time since I get them from my job, but the Windows laptops I've used and seen don't have the build quality, and having a big network of retail stores is a nice insurance policy. And if I was going to buy a Mac I'd buy refurbished anyway.

I've been a Mac user since the late 80s so I have the opposite problem with keyboard commands on Windows and Linux that you do.

Most of the people I've seen who use Macs - mainly developers working with Linux servers - do use it because it has a shell. (Though Apple switched to zsh not too long ago.)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

It's Mac, Wintel and Chromebook vs PC. Trying to kill it for many years and close to succeeding.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (5 children)

For me, my cad software was always windows specific. I think they have Linux versions now though.

Gaming is the other reason.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

Gaming is no longer a reason, really. 99% of the time it works out of the box.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

I think (although I've never tried to verify) Steam is making progress to make most games playable on Linux.

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