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[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Nothing of the bee remains, but we know it existed from the shape of this flower. It's an idea of what the female bee looked like to the male bee... as interpreted by a plant.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

One of my favorite xkcd's

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Technically a fossil is any remnant of an organism or its activities, not just petrified bones.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fossil

But they also said “the fossil”, not “a fossil”, so maybe they were talking about a specific fossil.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Of course it's company policy never to, imply ownership in the event of a dildo... always use the indefinite article "a" dildo, never "your" dildo.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

It's okay. Nine times out of ten, it's an electric razor.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

But they also said “the fossil”, not “a fossil”, so maybe they were talking about a specific fossil.

This had me in stitches. Thanks :D

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

If I’m gonna be a pedant, I’ve gotta take it to the extreme.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

Neolithic, but not too neo; mostly just lithic.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Sometimes, original material does survive fossilization.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Oddly we needed to create the idea of poetry first to make that metaphor work.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Wait, what does this mean? I genuinely thought fossils were the bones, preserved through lack of oxygen

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Petrified forest are not trees that turned to stone. Petrified forests are trees covered in mud or something that hardened, then tree rotted away and the hollow(in the mold of the tree) was filled in by another type of rock, creating a something that looks like a petrified tree.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (3 children)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zBzDfvvdgA

Fun facts, we know next to nothing about dinosaurs that lived in jungles or mountains due to preservation conditions. They just disappear and do not get buried fast enough. We know the most about wetland dinos because those tend to have better conditions (e.g. bogs) to preserve things.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Humanity's closest living relatives, the Chimpanzees, live in forests. They diverged from our lineage 6.5-7.5 million years ago, and there are almost no fossils for them. Except for a statistical fluke, someone studying solely the fossil record could be excused for thinking that they never existed at all... but they do!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Hey, that's not fun!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Love me a good bog…

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Based.

Carved in stone.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

That's really good!

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Yeah nice, but also no not quite.. Before humans and before words there was no poetry. Just stones and bugs and stuff. It needed humans cognitive capacity to emerge/create (not discover) aesthetic categories, like poetry

Sorry for fact checking your poetic meme, but it made this claim that might be understood factual and unreflected mystification of nature is still quite a thing

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

By your logic, human existence is the point in which things exist. And by that logic, fossils wouldn’t exist. Nor dinosaurs, the earth, or even the beginning of the universe (however you believe it came to be).

I would argue that poetry is more than the mere written word arranged in a rhyming schema. It extends to being anything that sparks creativity of the mind. e.g., The colors of the sunset reflecting off the surface of a pond that ripples from an animal jumping on the water. Surely that existed before humans?

Now I would certainly agree that it took humans to best articulate it by being able to write (or otherwise convey) these moments into more than a fleeting moment in their memory.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

That argument seems to boil down to whether or not a thing can be a member of a category before that category is described and named by humans, or presumably any sentient entity. You seem to ne arguing that it can't, I would say it can.

Considered anything that existed before humans. Let's take dinosaurs. They existed, but before humans came up with the name 'dinosaur' were they dinosaurs? I would say that the category existed even though there were no humans to describe it. Likewise with aesthetic categories, the entity exists and either fits within the category, or it does not, even if the category has not been described by humans. Thus, if you consider fossils to be poetry, they are, indeed, poetry older than words.

If we're nit picking the meme I would instead take issue with the concept of fossils being a memory of bones. We have fossils of plants, boneless creatures and even soft tissue from creatures with bones. Despite that, I think the meme is reasonable enough, and a fair way to look at things.