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[–] [email protected] 85 points 3 months ago (3 children)

FF is doing great. All the have to do now is the Steam strategy. Do nothing and wait for the competition to fuck themselves over.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You mean hope that they too don't become subject to enshittification? I don't have a lot of faith in that.

Besides that, Google is controlling as fuck. They might keep fucking themselves over but there's no way they won't start attempting to ruin things for the rest of us.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It seems Mozilla is not immune to the AI hype. I just hope their AI endeavour won't kill them when the AI hype finally ends.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Thankfully the AI use is very tame so far, used for stuff like offline alt text generation and offline translation. I'm personally still concerned about copyrights and ethics of the models used, but at least it's directed towards providing specific features, not a magic cure-all.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Thats the problem tho, the new mozilla leadership is on the "do anything but nothing" ship. I really hope they either dont do anything too horrible or someone forks it if they do.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

there are already forks in place if you're dissatisfied with firefox like librewolf, floorp or the new one from mullvad

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

Steam's strategy was to be first to market and essentially the only player in the game for a decade, making themselves the default.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (18 children)

I love Firefox, but I can’t shake the feeling that it is slower on YouTube. My tinfoil hat theory is that Google somehow throttles YouTube on Firefox.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'm pretty sure someone discovered that is true recently, but can't be assed to try to find it right now.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

They used to also use the unreleased version 0 of shadow DOM for building the Polymer UI, which - being a Chrome-only prototype - understandably didn't work on Firefox, and therefore instead used a really slow Javascript polyfill to render its UI.

I haven't checked on it lately, but I imagine they must've changed at least that by now.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's not tinfoil, they have been caught doing it and they continue to do it. It's a scumbag company.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

How the fuck they haven't been slapped with an anticompetitive is beyon - oohh right. End stage capitalism

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

One thing you can test is to apply a Chrome user-agent on Firefox when visiting YouTube. In my personal experience that actually noticeably improves the situation.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That’s super interesting! I’m not versed enough though, do you have like a tutorial you recommend or should I just Google it?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There's a bunch of extensions that allow you to switch user-agent easily, I personally use this one, it includes a list of known strings to choose between as well.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

Well, Google will probably optimize their shit for their own ~~privacy invasion sniffing tool~~ browser twice as hard as for Firefox and such

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Google does that a lot with their own web properties. I remember Google Meet didn't support background replacement on Firefox, but switching Firefox's user agent to Chrome suddenly fixed it.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 3 months ago (4 children)

People saying FF is slower: like how much slower, are we taking like 14 millisecond slower? Cause everything seems pretty instantaneous here. Maybe its because i'm old enough to remember DSL and 56k internet, but I think FF os crazy fast and even if Chrome would be 25% faster I wouldn't swith to evil google for that.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

It used to be a lot slower, which is why when Chrome showed up with its shiny new V8 engine (and other features) people switched from Firefox en masse. Now the performance difference is no longer noticeable.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

61 Firefox windows and 427 tabs (don't judge, I know I have a problem) and I have no performance complaints - admittedly, not all of them are active/rendering simultaniously, but still...

Firefox (and its forks) have been my go-to for 15 years.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago (6 children)

I remember when Chrome was released, all marketing was on how much faster it rendered webpages, I never saw that as an issue, Firefox was fast enough, I tried Chrome for a bit, and hated the UI, I remember being confused as to why everyone loved Chrome suddenly, and frankly, I still am a bit confused by both the sudden shift, and the absolute market dominance by Chrome...

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I remember being confused as to why everyone loved Chrome suddenly

Because they were still using Explorer before that

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago

Fair, I can see that, I guess my question was more for the people who already had switched to Firefox

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I switched from FFX to Chrome back in the day because Chrome tabs were all independent processes in task manager, and one crappy website wouldn't kill my whole browser.

When Google started their war on addons, I switched back to Firefox.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I grew up with a 56k modem. Anything after adsl is warp speed for me. I never understood or observed the speed differences between browsers.

Maybe I'm just so slow myself that I dont notice the difference but come on.. how much can it be? A few seconds? Who is so busy that a few seconds is a worthy amount of time to try and save (not talking about F1 drivers here)?

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 months ago (1 children)

chrome used to be good. Emphasis on the past tense.

Firefox was always good. Chrome was very briefly better. Firefox has not suffered enshittification like chrome did.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

This. Firefox has always been just good. It wasn't great or anything, it was just a good browser. Then chrome came around and it had more, better features. It was a bit more memory usage, but those were for the additional features Firefox didn't have.

Firefox didn't really change a whole lot, it added synching features across accounts, and didn't get worse. It just stayed the same.

The people made Firefox better, because now they're creating add-ons for Firefox, where chrome had more.

I feel like once chrome got the majority of browser users, it immediately started going to shit. I have no proof of this, just a memory of it being better until it was announced that chrome was the most used browser, and the near immediate heavier memory usage.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Firefox is slower, not because it's worse, but Gecko is a minority engine in the web (~3-4%) and because of this the most webs are optimized for Blink. That is the only reason and because most current Browsers are using it, a devils circle. The result of leaving Google hands-free for too long and that for 20 years the number of available engines has remained stagnant (3 and some testimonial exotic forks) because it is the most complicated part of a browser. Little can be done now.

Well, Apples WebKit is even worse than Gecko, as a small consolation for FF users.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (4 children)

If you're switching a couple extensions are uBlock origin and no script with Firefox, prevents most ads and lets you choose which hosts to accept JavaScript from temporarily or permanently.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

noscript is your web condom. I will not touch a page without it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Do you need noscript if you have ublock?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (4 children)

yes, noscript blocks all javascript from running unless allowed, while ublock just blocks ads and trackers to my knowledge.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You can set uBlock to disable/enable JavaScript per site too, as per wiki page.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I'm gonna be honest.

The main reason I don't like Firefox is the ui.

It's one of those things where I've been using chrome for so long that switching to anything else is infuriating. Trying to learn the layout and all the features. Trying to figure out how to do things that are intuitively design on Google.

If someone made pretty much a 1 to 1 copy of Google without all the bullshit I'd use it in a heartbeat.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Well bud, you can literally customize Firefox with css. So get to learning

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's the worst part about all of this.

I don't even know what css is 😭

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It’s what makes HTML look fancy. You can also find something you already like https://www.reddit.com/r/FirefoxCSS/

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

fuck it, where do i start? if spending a little bit of my time writing a css sheet results in Google losing market share i'm 1000% down.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

You can drag and drop your toolbar, extensions, and layout.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

Firefox masterrace

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Everything enshitifies... Everything, problem that worries me that, Firefox will enshitify like this too one day

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

At that point it will be forked yet again, and that fork will take over. Mozilla is a very active open source member though.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Then it will be forked and the cycle continues.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

boss i'm tired of those cycles

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