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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Just to watch him die

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Oh, you poor soul.

Here's the wikipedia, if you wanna read.

And here's a video about the history of slavery and its after-effects that is kind of relevant.

The tl;dr is that there were laws, like vagrancy (i.e. not having a job), that were vague and applied to "everybody" but realistically only applied to black people through legal jiu jitsu and selective blindness on the part of police. Sundown towns are known as such for that behavior. They were (are) very unwelcoming if you're not white.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Oh wow, that's some nice and cozy sounding name for such an atrocity.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

The name refers to "move on before sundown" - as in, if you're a minority and caught there after sundown, you'd be beaten or killed or both.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Well aktually, Johnny Cash issued a statement to the KKK telling them his first wife wasn’t black and appeared to have some racist attitudes in his youth, though he did come around later on and I wouldn’t say he was racist. Her heritage is described:

“In the image, Vivian, whose father was of Sicilian heritage and whose mother was said to be of German and Irish descent, appeared to be Black.”

Though in other images in the same article she doesn’t appear black at all, so I’m not sure. There seemed to be different attitudes about what was considered “black” in that time.

“The stress was almost unbearable. I wanted to die,” she [Vivian] wrote in her memoir. “And it didn’t help that Johnny issued a statement to the KKK informing them I wasn’t Black.” She did not think the campaign should have been dignified with a response.

So she may have been more upset that he responded at all, not necessarily being upset that he said she wasn’t black.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/05/16/johnny-cash-first-wife-vivian-black/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Did you not read the end of the article you linked? His wife definitely had black roots, but it was a family secret.

Earlier this year, the mystery of whether Vivian was descended in part from Africans was finally resolved. In a February episode of the PBS show, “Finding Your Roots,” host and historian Henry Louis Gates Jr. presented Rosanne Cash with her DNA results and family genealogy. Vivian Cash’s maternal great-great grandmother was indeed an enslaved Black woman, Sarah Shields, whose White father in 1848 had granted her and her eight siblings their freedom and their passage into Whiteness, too.

Basically Vivian's great-great-grandmother was a black enslaved woman, and her descendents hid this fact to save themselves from Jim Crow laws.

It's possible she and Johnny knew but kept it quiet because they lived in the deep south in a time when it was scary to be in any way black. The 'one-drop rule' is still a thing for a lot of americans, after all. We know that Vivian wife was living in fear of the KKK whenever he went on tour. I would imagine he said whatever he had to say to keep her safe while he was away

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Sicilians were sometimes "black" in the jim crow south. I couldn't find the citation, but at least one black dude avoided getting murdered after it was discovered the woman he was sleeping with was sicilian. I think the anecdote is from Isabelle Wilkerson's Caste.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Irish and Italians were Catholic, which was enemy #3 to the KKK right behind black and jewsiwh people. Irish and Italians weren't even considered white for the first half of the 20yh century

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

I thought that the irish were always considered white but faced discrimination due to their nationality itself, along with religion, and typically being poor, more like being viewed as a “lesser” category of whites

Interesting, the basis of that is so strange

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It's not just today, even his contemporaries kinda sucked and mostly didn't like him.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Yeah, just as an example -

Marty "Big Iron" Robbins released a song in 1966 called "Ain't I Right" that said people who came down to southern towns last summer to show people a new way of life were actually a bunch of secret Communists who didn't care about America and just wanted to sow discord.

Some context: in the summer of 1964, a bunch of civil rights activists went down to southern states to register people to vote for an event called "Freedom Summer," which led to them being harassed by local police and eventually at least 3 of them being murdered by the KKK. This was a huge headline dominating story that made the American mainstream actually start paying attention to the civil rights movement and start looking at how bad racism in the south had gotten, so Robbins was totally reacting to and trying to push against that change in popular opinion when he released that song.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

He toured with Rockabilly artists more than other country singers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

He's the only person in both the Country and Rock & Roll Halls of Fame. He was a Rock musician, not just a country one.