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Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., has issued a dire warning to her party about the chaos that could ensue if they succeed in pushing President Joe Biden off the ticket. And she criticized Democrats who’ve given off-the-record quotes that suggest the party has resigned itself to a second Trump term.

In an Instagram Live video on Thursday, Ocasio-Cortez warned liberals that a brokered convention could lead to chaos, in part because she says some of the Democratic “elites” who want Biden out also don’t want Vice President Kamala Harris as the nominee in his place. 

“If you think that is going to be an easy transition, I’m here to tell you that a huge amount of the donor class and these elites who are pushing for the president not to be the nominee also do not want to see the VP be the nominee,” she said. 

Ocasio-Cortez claimed none of the people she’s spoken with who are calling on Biden to drop out — including lawmakers and legal experts — have articulated a plan to swap out the nominee without minimizing the serious legal and procedural challenges that are likely to ensue. 

Ocasio-Cortez also highlighted the racial, ethnic and class divisions that appear to have formed between the majority of those pining to blow up the ticket — led mostly by white Democrats and media pundits — and those elected officials who feel they and their constituents have too much at stake to upend the process at this point and so are willing to do the work to re-elect Biden-Harris. She alluded to this cultural divide in her video when she spoke out against anonymous sources expressing a sense of fatalism on behalf of Democrats about what might happen if Biden remains on the ticket: 

What I will say is what upsets me is [Democrats] saying we will lose. For me, to a certain extent, I don’t care what name is on there. We are not losing. I don’t know about you, but my community does not have the option to lose. My community does not have the luxury of accepting loss in July of an election year. My people are the first ones deported. They’re the first ones put in Rikers. They’re the first ones whose families are killed by war.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (6 children)

AOC and Bernie are both saying this and I agree 110%. In all occasions. The most important thing is we all make a plan to go out and vote. Talk to other democrats and make sure they fight that demoralization and go out and vote. There is so much at stake with Project 2025 that I dont even care about these headlines anymore.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Agreed. She also pointed out that early voting ballots go out in September. A new campaign would have an eight week runway if it started now.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

Aging like milk implies that she isn't right about what she said.

Give it until November. If the Biden replacement wins by a landslide, then sure, it will age like milk.

Otherwise, so far, it's aging like fucking fine wine - and I'm not liking it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That is to be determined.

On paper, her argument is sound. There are plenty of moderates who are still not down for a female president, let alone one as outspoken as Kamala Harris.

I personally think her no-bullshit attitude is exactly what we need, but we will have to see how many people agree

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I live in deep red country, and work in a deep red career field, a lot of today's Trumpers have never forgiven Obama for being black, popular, and competent. They took it personally. Harris is going to mobilize the fuck out of them.

I think she's the right pick, I think she can govern well, I'm voting for her 100%. But the Dems need to be prepared. This was a dammed if you do, dammed if you don't situation for them. But replacing Biden isn't even a fraction of the work they're gonna have to do, and AOC is on point for speaking up about it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It's a good thing Diane Feinstein died, with the DNC's history of acting under pressure she'd have been their #1 pick

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Good lord, they absolutely would have gone with her.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

No bullshit attitude?

The only person that spews more bullshit than Harris is Trump.

Don't get me wrong, I'll still vote for her.

She is a shitheel, though.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Can you articulate which part you think aged like milk?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Nah she specifically said that Biden being forced out and Kamala not being supported by the establishment would be bad - which makes since because incumbency is a huge advantage

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

So you were saying?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No shit. The time for not backing Biden was in the last primary. If the Democrats weren't so fucking short sighted and power hungry, they would have had a primary all of last year instead of now having to back this geriatric horse against a geriatric, racist, fascist, horse in this race.

That said, I'll be voting for the geriatric horse because the alternative will end up getting my minority ass killed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Biden just stepped down for elections

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Yeah, just saw that on my news feed. While I applaud and massively respect him stepping down, it's way late for this I'm my opinion, especially with this dragging out.

Democrats put themselves in a no win situation with this and while I'm still going to vote for not the geriatric, racist, fascist, cocaine addled horse, the rest of America probably won't after Republicans tar the entire Democratic party as incompetent.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

The way ili see it is., the “far left” crowd are demanding sparkling water and refuse to drink from the tap with everyone else-

And not only this, but they intend to destroy the tap so no one else can drink from it because it doesn’t provide what they feel they are entitled to. Regardless of what everyone else feels or wants.

And the irony is- they cry and whine about how America should be a socialist system, but feel that their needs should be met by the government, and don’t care about what everyone wants as a whole.

And what they don’t understand is, whoever ends up in the White House- will be playing the same fucking game Biden did. Because that’s how politics work. It’s negotiation and co promise.

But they’d rather watch America burn than even try to accept this fundamental truth.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (29 children)

This is a good fucking take, have to say. She very obviously knows what she's talking about extremely well, has the best interests of those she represents at heart, and knows how to express it all clearly for the average layperson. You don't get a lot of politicians of that caliber.

No wonder the Republicans hate her so much!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (10 children)

I can’t understand the people who dislike her. My sisters don’t like her either and think she’s “dumb” but every time she speaks, she makes what seems to me to be well thought out, rational arguments.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Because they're gobbling up the mainstream media narrative that labels both progressives, and women who are politicians, as irrational and naive. AOC gets the whole venn diagram of bullshit thrown at her.

Yes, even women can internalize misogyny. You only have to go as far as your local fundie churches to hear women saying FeMaLEs are too emotional to be president or that women should be subservient to their husbands because women just no brain good compared to men.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Fucking finally a progressive with some sense (I say this as a progressive myself).

We need to be real here, this isn't a fucking joke.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Even before today's news of Biden stepping down, I feel the public party infighting about him/trump/ect instead of getting anything of substance into the news stream is an indication the current democratic party is over. As in effectively not a party.

Thus to add to AOC's comment: A very bad time for this as our system has two semi stable states... 2 party rule.. Or one party rule. (Sure outside groups/parties can and do help mold the main parties to their actual policy goals, but and if are popular enough get merged in or replace a main party)

This means can a new party grow out of the ashes of current one and actually organize in time for the election. (Obviously this "new" party gets to use the name/infrastructure of the one I'm calling over so may just look from the outside a shuffle of administration if fast.. And it needs to be fast)

And while I was happy to vote for Biden, and now presumably Harris, the lack of strength I see from Democrats on policy very much concerns me. (Not even it needs to be as far left as many on here seem to want it but it must be functional.. So those more left can debate actual policy.. Not that issues even exist.. Or ignoring it all together)

One sliver of hope is this can be used to pivot the talking points back on track.. But given the media climate I am not hopeful.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The Democrats seem to be in better shape than the Republicans. The only thing that's keeping their party together is Trump. Democrats have several candidates they could run. Republicans have only one. They've become the cult of Trump.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Not sure I agree republicans are worse off (as much as I might wish they were.)

But hopefully Kamala Harris picks a good running mate and with them gives a proper voice and direction to the party. (My concers aside I want to see the government work for the best interests of the people at the end of the day.. And not for specific groups of people, or corporate interests. (And this includes calling out business owners when they put their business of any size over the needs of the people and community)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

‘Could lead to chaos’. Ma’am, that ship has sailed. When even high ranking party members openly doubt the president’s ability to get elected, much less actually lead, you’ve clearly lost control of the situation.

Will replacing Biden at this stage be easy? Of course not. But he shouldn’t have been in the Oval Office in the first place. Running a candidate this frail once was a gamble… doing it twice is suicidal.

Democrat leadership only has itself to blame for this predicament.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

When I voted in the primary, there was one name on the ballot: Joe Biden. Anybody who thinks that was a free and fair election is on crack.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Met her briefly at a Sanders campaign rally. Would vote for her in a heartbeat.

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