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It is becoming clear that much of the stakes of the November contest will revolve around questions of gender – and specifically, questions of family

“It’s possible,” writes Jessica Winter in the New Yorker, “that if JD Vance had his way, citizenship in the United States would be conferred not solely by birthright but by marriage and children.” This is no exaggeration. In a now viral 2021 clip, JD Vance said: “Let’s give votes to all children in this country, but let’s give control over those votes to the parents of those children. When you go to the polls in this country as a parent, you should have more power – you should have more of an ability to speak your voice in our democratic republic – than people who don’t have kids. Let’s face the consequences and the reality: If you don’t have as much of an investment in the future of this country, maybe you shouldn’t get nearly the same voice.”

This position now represents large swaths of the Republican party, which has taken on an angry and aggressively prescriptive approach to family life.

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If you don’t have as much of an investment in the future of this country, maybe you shouldn’t get nearly the same voice.”

Then we should put a cap on the voting age too, right?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Or those who just live for the afterlife?

[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Someone remind them of all the welfare moms who would just vote themselves a big chunk of your tax dollars in between squeezing out brats.

Obviously, that whole thing was a total distortion in the 80's and I do not endorse that point of view, but I'll bet if right wing boomers were reminded by someone on their team they'd be scared shitless.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Zero percent chance they don't think the family patriarch (or divorced patriarch as the case may be) ought to be the one casting their children's votes.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Well, maybe it would force him to explain that. Just make them say the weirdest policy shit imaginable. Maybe we could make it all weird enough to drive away the non-maga crowd.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The irony is that right-wing boomer suburban homeowners are the real "welfare queens," and are subsidized by the urban apartment-dwelling single moms.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Oh dear, I remember all of the "latchkey kids" and how horrible it was that moms worked instead of being at home with their children. If the Republicans actually cared, they would have put in support systems back in the 1980s when it became clear where things were heading.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Just a somewhat related note, it clued in to me they say "family values" because they can no longer say "Christian values".

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago

I think that's always been a dogwhistle for Christians anyway.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago

Hrmmm.... given their other policy stances I assume that means if I and a buddy freeze a bunch of fertilized eggs we can vote for each one of them?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Will I be able to marry my couch?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

As long as your couch is not the same sex as you are...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

As 10 lb. 10 oz. baby Jesus wanted it.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

As hilarious as the couch stuff(ing) is, this guy's policy positions fill me with violent rage.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Imagine how the monkeys felt as their balls singed.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Is that a new JD Vance meme I'm not yet privy to?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)
  • good luck on that constitutional amendment that won’t ever get passed
  • this is pretty transparently a Nationalist Christian “go forth and be fruitful, but only if you’re white” ploy. They’re trying to turn the US into an ethnostate.
[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Quick note: the US has yet to transition out of being an ethnostate since its foundation. When they say they're anti-woke, what they're really saying is they're pro-apartheid

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This doesn't surprise me. I remember being told when I was about 22 that I was a terrible person for not having children. It was, you see, irresponsible of me because I should be planning for the future and for who would take care of me. Instead, it turns out, that I'm an awful, awful human being because I will eventually become a drain on resources.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I’m sure the Musks, Kochs, and Theils of the world will be super excited about giving poor people more voting power. /s

https://www.statista.com/statistics/241530/birth-rate-by-family-income-in-the-us/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I feel like 200k is a very low cutoff. It's probably based on some plan Elon and Peter came up with for adopting or birthing 100k babies and making the government pay for them all

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

So if the reasoning behind this is that parents deserve to have their votes weighted heavier because they have a bigger stake in the country's future, shouldn't Evangelicals who sincerely believe we are living in the end times get less weight than anyone?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

It’s impressive how much thought went into to this insanely dumb idea

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If you don’t have as much of an investment in the future of this country, maybe you shouldn’t get nearly the same voice.

I fully support this.

I want to see America progress into the future, therefore my vote should matter more than those who want to return America to the past, right?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Anyone over 65 only gets half a vote because they're gonna die soon.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

He will of course make an exception for the Catholic religious orders that are celibate

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This will last exactly until they realize that in the US Black and Hispanic families have, on average, roughly twice the number of children as white families according to the Pew Research Center. The only racial demographic having less children than white people is Asian-Americans, and it's basically a statistical tie between those two demos.

It would be hilarious if democrats were like... well, ok, if you insist.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah I'm a parent and having more kids should not increase your voting power. That makes no sense. You can't have more free speech, in a truly equitable world, you can't have more say than someone else unless the situation solely pertains to you

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

In Vance"s world view everyone (whites only except his wife) is equal but some are more equal than others clearly.

Please vote for sanity and shut the fascists up for good

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Keep in mind they only want "traditional" families and consistently try to block LGBTQ+ from adopting.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

This is honestly terrifying but would ostensibly require a constitutional amendment. I know a lot of people who would likely fall for this shit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Ah, using the old "democratic republic" in the sense to marginalize people, sweet.