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I think we need all support we can get to fight Google on this, so I welcome Brave here actually.

Use this link to avoid going to Twitter:

https://nitter.kavin.rocks/BrendanEich/status/1684561924191842304

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 year ago (16 children)
[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I personally switched back to Firefox after 13 years earlier this year and was surprised just how easy it was. All my main extensions exist on Firefox and it gave me an opportunity to remove some extension bloat at the same time. Highly recommend.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (15 children)

Try container tabs!

They have separate sessions so you can be logged in to the same site on multiple accounts. This is extreamly useful for stuff like being logged in to github using work account and company account or other sites where you just need many accounts. Aws is another good example.

There is also temporary containers that leave no trace at all.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Containers are one of the best features Firefox has gained in recent years. They make managing multiple website accounts so much easier than trying to use multiple browsers or browser profiles. They are also useful for developers in lots of ways.

I don’t know why Mozilla doesn’t promote Containers more, they can’t even be used out of the box because they have to be enabled with an extension. It’s a far better feature than many of the other recent gimmicks like time limited colour schemes.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Brave have started their marketing spree to try and distract from their most recent controversy. Like clockwork, every time they do something controversial they start marketing to drum up new users.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (21 children)

Just a reminder that Brendan Eich who founded Brave was ousted from Mozilla for being a homophobic piece of shit.

Brave is the edgelord of browsers.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Don't forget that he inflicted the blight that is JavaScript upon the world.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The DRM will be so interwoven into the core engine that they won't be able to remove it. chromium is a sinking ship

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (23 children)

Time to switch to Firefox as the base.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

This is the way.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

It might be interwoven, but at the end there are three interfaces:

  1. the headers or tags that trigger it to be enabled for a website
  2. the API towards the attester
  3. the headers that are added to subsequent call to include the verdict of the attester

It should be enough to disable/sabotage nr. 1. If not, you can sabotage nr. 2 so it simply doesn't attest shit. And finally you can suppress adding the verdict to the responses.

If the actual "fingerprinting" or whatever else is in there is still intact doesn't matter if you just don't trigger it.

Of course webservers would simply deny serving brave then. But it's still a good move. The more browsers get "denied", the easier it will be to make a case against websites for some kind of discrimination.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

God I hope so, Google's definitely in that "Live long enough to become the villain" camp of the infamous dichotomy (is that the right word) offered from that line from Dark Knight.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Chromium is open source. Brave can just fork it.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

"Just" fork it. Right.

It's a massive undertaking to maintain a fork of something that large and continue pulling in patches of later developments.

Not to say that Brave doesn't have the resources to do so - I really don't know their scale - but this notion of "just fork" gets thrown around a lot with these kinds of scenarios. It's an idealistic view and the noble goal of open source software, but in practical and pragmatic terms it doesn't always win, because it takes time and effort and resources that may not just be available.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Did you read the tweet from Brendan Eich linked in the OP? According to him, Brave already is a fork, and he provides a link to a (surprisingly) extensive list of things that are removed / disabled from chromium on their browser.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (16 children)

Brendan is quick to act when it comes to $$$$.. and anti LGBT law

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Don't care, still won't use out of principle.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Their business model is replacing ads with ads they get paid for. Obviously they aren't going to like Google making that harder.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Brendan Eich is an asshole deep in the Conspiracy Victim Complex too. I like Brave search as an alternative to Google but I'm still using Firefox

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Had been using Brave for 4 years. Switched from it to Firefox after the Google DRM news came out. Firefox is awesome!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

I never liked Brave. The whole "allow ads to get awards" thing doesn't sit right with me. The only adblockers that do that are the ones that are in bed with the ad companies. Firefox with UBlock Origin and NoScript is all you need.

(I mean, there are other good addons for privacy as well, but it's easy to go down a rabbit hole and next thing you know you have 30 different extensions installed and websites are breaking. Then you have to start disabling things one-by-one until you find the culprit. Setting your security settings in FF to "Strict" and using those two addons should be good enough without going overboard.)

Edit: only thing that sucks about Firefox is that it still doesn't support HDR and RTX Video Super Resolution yet, so in the meantime I use the "Open in Chromium" browser extension when I'm watching videos on YouTube, so that they display properly with all the enhancements.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I don't get all the hate Brave gets. I understand that techies have some issues, but for me as a user I have nothing bad to say. Ads are blocked everywhere, including YouTube. There's an option to use tor...

If you don't like the crypto options don't use them. I always thought crypto was bunk, but I wish I bought a bunch of bitcoin when I first heard of it.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As a normal browser user:

The browser works fine, although with time they kept adding more and more stuff that I had to disable. I could deal with it, but it's not a browser I'd recommend to most of my friends.

After a few years using Chrome and then Brave, I moved back to Firefox. Not as polished, but works fine for me.

As a Brave Rewards/Creators user:

I simply don't trust them anymore.

I used it for a while to make some money with my site. Some people used Brave (like me), so since they were blocking ads, I confirmed my site so I could get some of the automated donations the browser sends to the top sites people visited that month. I received a few payments, had everything confirmed, paid taxes on the revenue... all 100% legit, never tried to game the system or anything like that. It wasn't much, but helped with running costs.

One day I couldn't login to see my balance, but ignored it and forgot about it. Then they sent me an email asking me how I was making that money, to which I replied. Months went by without any reply... until I forced the issue. Then they banned my account without providing any reasons or a way to appeal. My site was still verified, so I assume I was still receiving donations, which I could not access. The site continued to be displayed as "verified" even after them banned me... I have no idea if they sent the donations back to the senders. I actually had to ask them to un-verify the site if they were going to keep my account banned.

The way they dealt with it was bad and receiving donations to a banned account is shady as fuck. I wouldn't use the word "hate", but I just can't trust them.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I don't like it because it's a chrome derivative. Sure, they use Chromium and can edit some things. But at the end of the day, they use the Chrome javascript engine and render the HTML/CSS however Google wants to. Therefore Google more or less defines how that browser represents the web. If Google wants to implement or not implement some web standard, Brave has to follow along whether they like it or not.

I want less power in Google'a hands, not more.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

I don't agree with Brave's business model, and the shady stuff they did, but the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

i don't think "will not add" will be an option

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (8 children)

https://nitter.net/BrendanEich/status/1684561924191842304

Nitter link.

Also, the Chromium forks need to get onboard. I think Opera doesn't care about ads either so it will likely go against it but Microsoft will definitely add it to Edge.

Use Firefox :)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (16 children)

I don't understand.

There's loads of people for whom 3 or 4 sites make up 99% of "the web", and those sites will just stop working for people using browsers without WEI support.

I just don't really see how a browser could be viable in the future without WEI support.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 year ago (10 children)

And that's exactly the point. WEI makes it a world where big tech decides if they are going to support a competing browser, a competing operating system like Linux, or plugins against ads. They can also force you to have any number of plugins installed, from their choosing.

It destroys the free web completely.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Isn't Brave doing this because they have their own way that they sell ads for coins?

I don't entirely approve, I think. But if it helps fight Google's domination of the market, fine.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

I use it.. I don't agree to ads so I don't get coins. which is great because I don't want coins, I just want no ads.

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