NewPipe at least already doesn't use the API, it scrapes the website.
... Which it just occurred to me might be one of the reasons Google is pushing that web integrity thing. Dang.
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All the web integrity thing would do is force them to use a specific client when accessing YouTube to scrape their site.
Putting shit out on your publicly accessible website enables all who access it to download anything you make available there.
This is just regular cat and mouse.
If my YouTube experience goes away, my hobbies will get some tlc. My reddit experience barely faltered with my transition to Lemmy
We've been through all of this before and we'll go through all of it again.
All the web integrity thing would do is force them to use a specific client when accessing YouTube to scrape their site.
The problem is none of the attested browsers will let you to use them in this way.
We already have DRM for video on the web. I believe it would be a similar problem to getting WideVine L1 content from e.g. Netflix in an open source app.
Ask me why I invested in Vimeo.
But seriously, it will just make competitors thrive.
I'll pay for a nebula subscription before I sit through a single YouTube ad.
Yea I think, if newpipe stops, I would switch to nebula. It would even help my yt addiction and I would support my youtubers without giving a share to youtube.
I've tried nebula because a video I wanted to watched on yt was released earlier there. That was the only video on the whole platform worth watching. It's clickbait, you pay for.
Practical Engineering, Real Engineering, Real Science, Joe Scott, Climate Town... Dude in that screen grab of just 15 videos I'm ready to watch about 60% of them.
Maybe you dont have a wide range of interests?
https://talent.nebula.tv/creators/
So many of my current YouTube subscriptions are on that list. 12 tone? Tom Scott? Adam Neely? Mary Spender? Real life lore? Leagle Eagle? The 1 Janitor? Invisible People? neo? JJ McCullough? Tier Zoo? Up & Atom? Charles Cornell? Strange Parts? Half as interesting? Not Just Bikes? Practical Engineering? HBomber guy? Minute physics? Tantacrul? Medlife Crisis?
Some of youtubes best creators are on nebula.
Yep... Bummer, but completely in character and expected.
Invidious doesn't use YouTube's API. It merely requests content from YouTube either directly or through a proxy. So, I don't think it'll disappear forever unless the developers stop working on it. It's probably gonna be a game of cat and mouse where YouTube figures out how to break Invidious, and the devs keep finding a workaround.
requests content from Youtube
You mean through an API
But pretty much in the same way as the YouTube's frontend requesting content from YouTube's backend. This is an equivalent of you loading a video on YouTube then going to developer tools and copying links from the Network tab. AFAIK all tools (Invidious, Piped, yt-dl) work this way.
Yes. The problem is, it's easy for google to break it again and again and again. I think we should just end Youtube
Depending on the definition, loading a web page might me called an API, but that’s not what people mean when they talk about APIs.
all of these are scrapers, so they will work unless YouTube gets rid of its web version
Or if Google implements some kind of feature that requires your browser to vouch that it's not gonna play shenanigans with the page.
Nah, nobody would be that crazy.
Fair.
Would this new thing they’re doing to chrome stop it?
That's exactly the sort if thing they could use it for
Or until they implement a trust model that denies access to uncertified user-agents?
Nooo, I just recently discovered NewPipe 😔
As long as youtube has RSS, you can still get videos.
I built this https://codeberg.org/mister_monster/YouTube2Peertube many years ago to help people resolve these problems.
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I've never seen that problem before, but if you're having trouble the codeberg repo is a mirror of a github repo I published it to first, https://github.com/mister-monster/youtube2peertube
I'm worried about a snowball effect too, but unlike reddit I don't think enough people use 3rd party YouTube apps to justify denying api access
But at the same time, not enough people use 3rd party YouTube apps to cause any significant backlash if they deny api access
Nah, we’ll just switch to webscraping if APIs get locked behind a paywall. Let’s see how those sites handle it when millions of people are using a scraping based client in the future. I can imagine it feeling a lot like being the victim a relentless ddos attack.
This is exactly what the proposed Web Integrity API seeks to prevent. That's what makes it terrifying.
Hmm, so no API, no scraping, nothing but some ad infested privacy invading unusable mess. I guess isolating from the whole web is becoming an increasingly appealing option.
Show me me a 10ft wall, I'll show you a 12ft ladder.
No matter what they try, there will always be someone that manages to completely bypass those bullshit blocks.
You can't save anything unless there's a YouTube competitor. Google can do whatever it wants.
Oh, thought this was an article with facts and figures, no someone's doomsaying and fear mongering....
Many YouTube's third party clients don't use an API and having a public API with built in ads is a gold mine that many of YouTube's embeds rely on for revenue. Doubt they'll destroy that anytime soon.
Along with that, many of YouTube's top creators are already looking for alternatives, floatplane, nebula etc... It just takes a mass exodus to kick start them. And you bet Google is aware of that.
I have clarified the title.
Google isn't going to kill YouTube's API any time soon. It's how billions of videos are viewable in apps and pages across the internet. They make far more money on that than any lost revenue by people using third party apps. Shutting down API access would be one of the most impactful events to the internet in history. Major lost viewership and advertising revenue coupled with extreme consumer backlash. Most devastating would be developer backlash, as they would all need to scramble to find alternatives.
They successfully went after Vanced 2 years ago so it's shouldn't be too far fetched for them.
They went after vanced because they made money (they tried selling nfts) from from modifying google's proprietary code. NewPipe team wrote everything themselves and dont make money from google code (they probably make no money at all)
it's a common theory that the only reason they went after Vanced is because the Vanced team tried to monetize the mod by introducing NFTs
Many people in modding and fan communities convince themselves that companies only go after projects if they try to make money, but we also see that happening with free projects all the time, if they get enough attention.
Seeing that Google is already sending warnings to people who try to watch YouTube with adblockers, I don't think that's what made the difference.
At this point maybe we should all just make onion sites popular I mean isn’t the majority of the internet down there anyways? Fuck YouTube, Facebook,(enter clear net greedy company here) shit keeps getting worse.
Was talking to a friend who is a senior tech dude about the YT viewing habits of our kids. Asked if he had any recommendations for alt clients and he said… just pay for YT premium 🙃
To be fair, the guy just probably didn't want to become your tech support for life. :P
If you care, you can try this, assuming you meant clients for TV: https://github.com/yuliskov/SmartTubeNext
"Don't want your kids seeing ads that are absolutely not for kids? Easy! Just pay us!"
Seriously it's so hypocritical that they demonetize swearing yet show gambling, alcohol, and even the occasional barely-not-porn sexualized ad without a second thought.
It's not hypocrisy, it's for $. $ means it's not hypocrisy. Haven't you been paying attention?
Yeah because I would love to pay for attention
pay for attention
Isn't that basically what their "superchat" feature in YouTube live is? Pay money to force the host to read your comment? IDK I've never used it and don't intend to.