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I don't know what a .webp file is but I don't like it. They're like a filthy prank version of the image/gif you're looking for. They make you jump through all these hoops to find the original versions of the files that you can actually do anything with.

Edit: honestly I assumed it had something to do with Google protecting themselves from image piracy shit

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The format actually has a lot of benefits - it supports transparency, animation, and compresses very efficiently. So it could theoretically replace GIF, JPG, and PNG in one fell swoop.

The downsides are that many apps don't currently support it and that it's owned by Google.

Personally I use webp for images that are not intended to share (e.g. banners and images on my blog), but stick to JPG/PNG for sending to other people.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

and that it’s owned by Google.

I mean yes, but it's ~~patent~~ irrevocably royalty free (so long as you don't sue people claiming WebM/P as your own/partially your own work), so it's effectively owned by the public.

Google hereby grants to You a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable (except as stated in this section) patent license to make, have made, use, offer to sell, sell, import, and otherwise transfer implementations of the WebM Specifications, where such license applies only to those patent claims, both currently owned by Google and acquired in the future, licensable by Google that are necessarily infringed by implementation of the WebM Specifications. If You or your agent or exclusive licensee institute or order or agree to the institution of patent litigation against any entity (including a cross-claim or counterclaim in a lawsuit) alleging that any implementation of the WebM Specifications constitutes direct or contributory patent infringement, or inducement of patent infringement, then any rights granted to You under the License for the WebM Specifications shall terminate as of the date such litigation is filed. "WebM Specifications" means the specifications to the WebM codecs as embodied in the source code to the WebM codecs or any written description of such specifications, in either case as distributed by Google.

Source: https://www.webmproject.org/license/bitstream/

(But Dark, that's WebM not WebP! -- they share the same license: https://groups.google.com/a/webmproject.org/g/webp-discuss/c/W4_j7Tlofv8)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

And here comes jpegXL claiming the same things. Fun times.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Okay, but jpeg xl is looking pretty good. Especially the ability to losslessly convert jpg to jxl.

Recent conversation on lemmy.world and an article about it.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Webp is a fairly standard if rather new image format, that are frequently used by websites due to their small file size. To further cut bandwidth costs and loading time, websites will often only include a tiny webp of an image until you click to expand or something like that, so that they don't have to serve a massive image if the user will only even see a thumbnail sized preview. However, this does break the "save image" button as if you try to download the thumbnail, say from google images.

Completely separately, some scummy sites will make you sign up for an account or something to download a full size image, and the only advice I have here is that it is almost always faster to find another site with the image then jump though the hoops.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Google being fucking Google.

I downloaded the Save By Type extension because it was impossible to some of my schoolwork this term due to the webp BS.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dont blame google, it is Mucrisoft's fault for refusing to support them under default windows. The format itself is in many ways superior to both PNG and JPEG.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If one company is pushing something (google) and several others have trouble with it (MS, Apple, Adobe) then maybe the pusher is to blame for issues?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It's just a new picture format that is arguably better than jpeg in many scenarios. It has been around for many years. Windows just refuses to do file associations correctly, so people hate it for no reason.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For anyone who doesn't know, you can easily change the file extension to .jpg and it'll still work.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But also know that it's not a jpeg, and it only works because whatever app is opening the jpeg is able to read the webp format.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

You only dislike it because whatever bad app you're using to share them on doesn't support them.

Stop being the gullible fool and start hating the apps not the file format.

Edit: I also spot your .gif favouritism in there. .gif is an archaic and wasteful format, and asking for it is the same as looking at your car and whining that the fuel has no lead.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The guy clearly isn't familiar with a lot of image formats and is trying to find out about them by asking, a perfectly reasonable thing to do, and in a special community called no stupid questions, no less.

You don't need to call anyone a gullible fool and furthermore you've not actually helped to answer the question "what is webp", at all. What are you trying to achieve with this pointless aggression? If you wanted one less "gullible fool" you'd have to answer the question and educate, at best you've sown confusion.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Chill the hell out, maybe light one up if need be. Many people don't have the option of choosing thier own app.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Neither have they the choice of what format others use. The point here was that the apps are to blame for not supporting the format, not the format for not being supported. It's a common format nowadays.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The fact that GIF is still a thing in 2023 is baffling

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The fact that GIF is still a thing in 2023 is baffling

As opposed to what widely supported animated image format?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

APNG, WebP, AVIF, WebM. Not sure about JpegXL

GIF is size and ressource heavy

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Just a way for Google to influence and force change on end users away from previously accepted standards, a strategy that allows them to further obfuscate attempts to DRM all media to make sure only authorized parties can play in the sandbox. Don't worry, they're trying to move the entire browser that way as well. Mandatory ads and mandatory DRM that can scan your cache and local files for possible violations are coming right goddamn behind it all.

WEBP is effectively a container format warped into a media compression format, it's strength that's actively exploited is obviously in saving a little bandwidth by (further) compressing and serving smaller sized cached webp files of existing jpg/png/gif/etc files to end users.

PNG (and JPG for that matter) has worked just fine for static image files for decades, but that was a community project created to work around the patent encumbrance of GIF so there's not money to be made and nothing to embrace/extend/extinguish by the big patent happy corps by allowing it to retain status as a 'standard' in active use. Bandwidth, processing power, and storage have come a long way since PNG started giving us better quality than JPG's inconsistent compression artifacts.

/waves old man cane around in the air in a threatening manner

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You would like it if you had slow internet, or you hosted a website.

My website turned 5MB images into 100KB images using webp. My website now loads instantly, saves you bandwidth, and me costs!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Wait really? Are they that much more efficient?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You can take them into GIMP (or probably any image editing software) and turn them into png or what have you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Magick is way faster to learn than opening gimp once.

convert in.webp out.png

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