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Apple has deployed a system called Private Access Tokens that allows web servers to verify if a device is legitimate before granting access. This works by having the browser request a signed token from Apple proving the device is approved. While this currently has limited impact due to Safari's market share, there are concerns that attestation systems restrict competition, user control, and innovation by only approving certain devices and software. Attestation could lead to approved providers tightening rules over time, blocking modified operating systems and browsers. While proponents argue for holdbacks to limit blocking, business pressures may make that infeasible and Google's existing attestation does not do holdbacks. Fundamentally, attestation is seen as anti-competitive by potentially blocking competition between browsers and operating systems on the web.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"Sorry, your device appears to be running Linux, please only use approved Apple or Windows devices to log in, with our required surveillance system pro installed. Thanks."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Should you chose not to continue, you agree to kick yourself in the balls.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Unfair. Google, Amazon and Facebook devices will also be allowed.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Companies can already do that

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Google already does that with Android and SafetyNet

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, but so far you can just spoof your user agent. Not sure how easy cracking private access tokens will be. I assume they'll be pretty proactive about keeping it locked down.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

That's easily detectable. Try beating Google Safety Net that way.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Expect corporations to be lazy. Just look at how every website handles cookies now. They could do it smartly, limit their cookie exposure, or only send the messages to IPs in the EU. But they just put an "accept all cookies or get out" OK box on your screen. And that's what they're going to do once attestation gets popular.

Sites will just require an attestation token and likely only accept ones from Safari and Chromium browsers since those are the ones pushing it. That will effectively make Firefox, Opera and other browsers incompatible with those websites. And once it catches on or becomes law somewhere, it'll be the entire internet. It's an extremely anticompetitive measure and it's internet-wide DRM. Fuck. that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But they just put an "accept all cookies or get out" OK box on your screen.

Which doesn’t comply with GDPR

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Which only affects companies doing business in the EU. Granted, that's most of the big players.

Very grateful for the EU to unfuck most of the world from a lot of American regulatory capture.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If a website doesn't want me to see their shit, then I guess i won't see their shit. I already have some sites that don't work because of my aggressive use of lists on my pihole, in addition to the usual browser plugins. If a site doesn't work now, I just move on. I don't give a shit about any site enough to put up with this type of bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

If a website doesn't want me to see their shit, then I guess i won't see their shit

That's how I react to Twitter and Facebook requiring login to even view most things.

Whatever you're showing isn't important enough to be worth me making an account.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What if it's your bank's website? Or email provider? Or literally anything else you actually have to choose and can't pick? "It's okay because I don't think it affects me / I can ignore it" is always a bad reason to allow a bad thing happen.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We're not allowing it. We don't have a choice.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well you can protest, inform others, switch browsers, make your family switch...

It's not easy and might not accomplish much but at least you're trying.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

We won't be allowed to switch browsers any more. That's the whole problem.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We need to fight against this and stop this from happening before it's too late.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago