Horribel. Sweden do not need NATO for peace , NATO needs Sweden for war.
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As a swede I am on the fence on wether Sweden should join NATO in the first place, but at least we're not out for the stupidest fucking reason anymore.
What are your counter points? Other than not wanting to be a staging ground for a potential NATO/Russian war?
I think most people who have switched sides, who were originally for/split, would today argue that it's unlikely that Russia would stage another war in the coming years. Looking at how poorly they are performing in Ukraine.
So getting into NATO with the possibility that Erdogan's demands will have an actual effect on the Swedish laws has not been deemed worth it right now.
I also doubt anybody reasonable would consider some of his demands to be achievable, Turkey in EU today?
That's a pretty good assessment. Thanks for the insight.
It sounds like Erdogan is saying this is conditional on the EU reopening talks about Turkiye joining. Is that even happening?
I wonder what had deal had to be made for him to say this. Also grain of salt till ink is dry.
I've seen speculation that Turkey will get F-16s in return.
Looking forward to seeing Orban cornered.
They've had F-16s for years, producing most of them domestically (under license). Maybe some upgrades?
Turkey's been developing their own "5th gen" fighter, and they do have a pretty decent domestic military industrial base, but they got barred from purchasing the F-35 in 2019 when they bought an S-400 system from Russia - I wonder if he wants those. It'd need some US congressional cooperation to make happen, though.
Fucking finally
I want to see Putins stupid face now, it must be glorious to watch
"sweden joining NATO does not concern us." - putin replies
Turkey had previously spent months blocking Sweden's application, accusing it of hosting Kurdish militants.
Man, fuck Turkey
And fuck Sweden for being cucked by erdogan
With all the requirements stipulated through this agreement it feels more like blackmail than anything. Glad they're finally in, or in the process of getting in, but the whole thing just seems unreal and unfair.
Stop making international organisations you can't kick members out of!
Geez, get your stuff together Western governments.
This isn't happening it's just grandstanding before the summit. Sweden said they'll put in a good word for Turkey to join the EU, Erdogan said he'll put in a good word to Turkish parliament. After the conference someone will do something trivial and they'll fake outrage and go back to Sweden not joining.
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