No. They'll need to fill out a form online before they go. Europe is only requiring this because the US has forced similar bullshit on Europeans for years cos "terrorism".
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That's what's called a visa.
Even today you need a visa. You get that visa on arrival.
All the security theater around borders and flights needs to end. Open all boarders and make boarding a plane as simple as boarding a train. Also remove Karma from all of lemmy!
Also, Carthage must be destroyed!
Also, Carthage must be destroyed!
Same goes for rome!
It's technically not a visa but an electronic travel authorization much like the US and Canada have.
I love Americans freaking out about being subjected to the same shit they force all others to go through.
Americans have no idea how border checks work. Remember that next time they share opinions about immigration.
I know how boarder checks work. And I know that the schengen area has the best border crossings.
I want more schengen. The US and Canada should make their own north american schengen area, it will cut down on so much unnecessary government expenditure.
Why not world wide shengen? Why shouldn't all human beings have freedom of movement on the entire globe? Why do you have to ask permission before being able to move freely?
Because they haven’t paid taxes to run the services they want to consume.
Because we can’t all live in the same place and people shouldn’t be forcibly evicted from their homes by violent people.
Because it ruin the lives of people who don’t live on the absolutely lowest rung of quality of life.
Because we can’t all live in the same place
Actually we can: "Standing shoulder-to-shoulder, the entire world's population could fit within the 500 square miles (1,300 square kilometers) of Los Angeles.". I assume your other claims to be just as easily disproved, but cannot be bothered, people can use search engines themselves.
You can’t live your whole life literally standing shoulder to shoulder with people can you! How are you going to eat or sleep or work? You going to spend your life living like a penguin? Except it’s also billion penguins deep.
I don’t think you’ve started disproving anything yet. You’re a complete idiot.
Exactly - the title and the article is incorrect. Americans will still be afforded a visa-on-arrival for tourism and other approved short term stays. Additionally, the authorization is valid for three years and can be used for multiple stays within the EEA. I believe the UK is also implementing an ETA (edit, maybe I got the acronym right this time), but I think it is only valid for two years at a time.
In a way it's silly, but it also reduces that chance of a disruption/entry denial at the entry point to the Area.
The visa, which will cost about $8, is similar to the one that European tourists are required to get when traveling to the U.S., which costs $21.
A very typical tit-for-tat.
So Europe is better value than US? $8 vs $21?
- It's not a visa but an ESTA. The visa is still granted on the fly on entry.
- The U.S. require the same the other way around, only the one granted by the EU is $10 cheaper and valid for 3 years instead of 2, so still U.S. citizens get an advantage
- EU citizens (like all other non-immigrants) have to, as far as I understand, disclose all their social media accounts when applying for a US visa
Sources for (3):
For VISA applications, https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Enhanced%20Vetting/CA%20-%20FAQs%20on%20Social%20Media%20Collection%20-%206-4-2019%20(v.2).pdf should apply.
What if applicants participate in multiple online platforms? Are they being asked to list all of their handles, or only one?
Applicants must provide all identifiers used for all listed platforms.
I reached that document via https://www.ustraveldocs.com/de/de-gen-faq.asp#qlistgen21 ("Apply for a U.S. Visa in Germany") and didn't find any hint for exemptions for German citizens or E U citizens, so I assume it applies. (But I might still be wrong.)
Genuine question, how the heck do people who have a ton of social media accounts (some for a business, some for different topics, some they haven't used in ages and maybe forgot about or lost the login for) actually list them all? If it were me, depending on the platforms required, I don't even know where I'd begin. I very well might genuinely forget one I made 3 years ago, used for a month, and abandoned.
Simply wow, this one is new to me. Guess I would never go to the US again.
What if I don't disclose my social media accounts? How are they going to know? It feels like to me like more surveillance they're attempting to do.
⁸I don't know what data they have at hand to work with, the following is mainly guesswork / how I would do it:
As far as I know, US authorities have quite liberal access to data stored by US companies (due to the cloud act even if the data isn't originally stored in the US), especially in case the data is about non-citizens where some of their protection laws don't hold. Most social media accounts are tied to phone numbers and/or email addresses.
If I was in their place, I'd have a relatively small database with all (or at least all non-US) phone numbers used for social media accounts, with the email addresses tied to those accounts. If a visa-applicant applies and I get their phone number (email address),
- I'd query a list of all accounts for that number (email) to get the associated emails (numbers).
- With those new emails (numbers) I'd repeat step 1
If you call the office or enter your number in your application, they might get some accounts. If you associated an email address to that account, they might get additional different accounts by that email. If those different accounts have a different phone number associated to them, they use that new phone number to get more accounts. rinse, repeat.
[Edit: This process would be completely automated, of course. Not manual.]
The consequence of being caught lying might be to get your visa revoked / denied once you are already in the US at the airport, which would be highly inconvenient. Or, if they get suspicious, find something else, and get annoyed, maybe it could even be punished? I don't know.
You could maintain a separate phone with a separate phone number and separate email addresses for accounts you want to keep secret. Or maybe get a fresh phone number / email address just for the trip. But that's quite a bit of effort to maintain consistently.
I already use separate identifiers for personal and government documentation. Other people probably also have multiple numbers and emails too, it's not like they're going to check. It feels like a massive waste of resources.
Because "including Spain, France and Greece" is a rather lacking description for 30 European countries:
Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland
Maybe they're selected because they're the most popular destinations? (Nor sure if that true, but it would make sense)
I feel bad for brevity in the presence of such criticism.
Well we've been paying the ESTA electronic visa for years now every time we've wanted to visit the US. It's fair game to require the same
I’m confused, didn’t Americans need a VISA to visit European countries? They just jump into a plain and fly here with their passport and no questions asked?
If it’s like this I had no idea…
Americans can go almost anywhere at moment notice with just their golden passport. Meanwhile people from many country has to submit countless documentations and bank accounts data for US visa only to get denied three months later.
I'm scratching my head at this comment because I thought EU passports were more powerful at this point. I thought the US has pissed off enough countries that there are many you can't enter as a US citizen (admittedly mostly in the middle east, to countries I doubt most European citizens want to go either), but an EU passport will get you basically anywhere you want to go. Was I wrong about that?
German here. I had to go through a 3-month process with multiple, personal visits to the Chinese embassy in Frankfurt to be allowed one-time entry to China for a couple of days. Visa fee was 120€, IIRC.
Well, it's China, a country known for its heavy surveillance. They're not gonna let anyone in just like that.
Yep. It's still the case, the title really isn't right.
Americans still get an automatic visa on arrival, they just have to fill out a form online for $8 first
Europeans do much the same coming to the US with ESTA
I bet they will still give you the visa if you don't fill out the form. They might make you fill it out in the airport on your phone or something though.
The airline might require this travel authorization at check-in, though.
$8, don't break the bank on this one folks.
The visa, which will cost about $8, is similar to the one that European tourists are required to get when traveling to the U.S., which costs $21.
That's quite the difference.
It's the same, but in the US you have to add the sales tax ($2) and then tip at least 110%. That brings the total to $21.
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