this post was submitted on 29 Sep 2023

201 points (99.5% liked)

Piracy: ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ʜɪɢʜ ꜱᴇᴀꜱ

53792 readers

81 users here now

⚓ Dedicated to the discussion of digital piracy, including ethical problems and legal advancements.

Rules • Full Version

1. Posts must be related to the discussion of digital piracy

2. Don't request invites, trade, sell, or self-promote

3. Don't request or link to specific pirated titles, including DMs

4. Don't submit low-quality posts, be entitled, or harass others

Loot, Pillage, & Plunder

💰 Please help cover server costs.

founded 1 year ago

MODERATORS

[email protected]

201

Saikou - the best Anime streaming app on Android - got DMCA'd (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

54 comments fedilink hide all child comments

Even the Discord and Buymeacoffee page got taken down. This is larger than any other DMCA I know of

top 50 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old

[–] [email protected] 81 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yet another reminder that GitHub is not your friend, but also that borderline projects shouldn't be hosted on anyone else's server other than your own, you'll possess all the repository data, but you'll also be made to shut down anyway if on the clearnet, so I wonder if it's possible to host a forge through Tor/i2p or others.

Still, this is clearly wrong on who sent the DMCA, the apps never host the content, I hope they can get back up.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 11 months ago

Exactly GitHub is owned by Microsoft

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

there are already many forges hosted through i2p, I imagine the same can be said for tor. That doesn't mean the host can't ban you there as well though.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I doubt this is larger than when MegaUpload got DMCA'd.

But yes, it's pretty big.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

Yeah, I mean any Anime related app takedown

[–] [email protected] 34 points 11 months ago

Imo this is why big projects that are borderline like this should use github alternatives, preferably self hosted solutions. This was always going to happen.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago (3 children)

That sucks.

Though I disagree with your title, Aniyomi is the best anime streaming app on Android.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Maybe they changed something since I used it the last time when it came out but I find the UI to be horrible.

It's a Manga UI used for watching anime. I rather have a UI with beautiful animations. Saikou has one of the most beautiful UI I've ever seen in an app.

While I love Tachiyomi (J2K) as a Manga reader and I think it's the best one on any platform, it's not great as a Streaming app designed as a streaming app (I know Saikou isn't just a streaming app and you can also read Mangas in it, but I rather use Tachiyomi for that)

Edit: just checked it out. Nope still a Manga app UI for an anime streaming app with horrible discoverability and you can't switch between different sources easily. The sources are cool I guess, but I don't need those. You also can't add something on Anilist and automatically have it added to your "continue watching" list.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Switching sources def isn't a single button thing, but it's only a few clicks using the Migrate option in the 3 dot menu, it will transfer the progress you had in the previous source and the Anilist/MAL tracking.

Since I use AniChart's website directly I never missed that part being in the app, but it would be cool too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Yeah it even has the release calender built in and you can see how long you have to wait for a new episode to release

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

cloudstream!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

It absolutely is, the extensions are brilliant.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hopefully they had backups elsewhere. This is why piracy apps need to at least try a little to not make their github so obviously a piracy app.

I hope @[email protected] updates reiverr to use open source movies from the blender studio for the images/gifs so it can be passed off as a media app for non piracy related streaming

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It was pretty popular and had thousands of stars. It even trended on GitHub

So this was pretty much unavoidable.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Just use aniyomi, it's not locked to anilist

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

But I like Anilist. And the UI and features of Saikou

The UI of Tachiyomi isn't made for Anime. It's a Manga app and it's great for that, but it's horrible for Anime

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

It has anilist too, that's what I use. I had never even heard of saikou before so haven't used it but I've never had any issues with aniyomi. It's perfectly functional in finding anything I want to watch and looks good. Can't do anything about your subjective preferences though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Just that Saikou isn't just an anime streaming app. It's also an Anilist client. And it's beautiful and I love the animations and video player features like a skip intro button and it's generally just beautiful. You also can read Manga with it, but I honestly prefer Tachiyomi for that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I see. Well with the power of anime I'm sure some weeb out there will make a fork of it one way or another

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Aniyomi already has Aniskip (skip intros) integrated and can connect to your Anilist account to update your entries, automatically if you enable that, or manually.

I almost never go to the actual Anilist interface anymore, it works great.

I also use it to read a lot, and it has extensions for everything including Drama, Movies, Hentai, Porn...

For me it was always the best app.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ehh, not for me.

Like I said before it's an Manga app that added Anime streaming functionality. I still use Tachiyomi for Manga though.

With Aniyomi I can't easily discover new anime, continue watching ones I added on Anilist on my PC and have this beautiful UI with really good, switch sources with a press of a button and have these fluid animations.

Just look at this: Screenshot_20230929-184148

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

It does look really nice haha

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Any fork?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago

I think all were also dmca’d

https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2023/09/2023-09-20-corsearch.md

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Man when they finally git repo federation will be available...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What is git repo federation? Why will this help?

I thought git is a very decentralized technology?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Well, Git is still centralized. Typically there's only one main location where work on a project happens - a Git forge like GitHub, or in the simplest scenario just an SSH server.

Federation will help because it will allow working on a project in one forge from another forge. You could e.g. create a pull request on your own self-hosted forge (e.g. Forgejo instance) and then submit that pull request on another forge that's hosted somewhere else. GitHub taking down a repo wouldn't be as annoying, since people would still have the main sources of their pull requests in their own forges. And GitHub wouldn't be able to remove their fork for whatever reason.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I believe that Git is decentralized. Because people choose to use Git hosting services doesn't make Git itself centralized. Git doesn't force you to sign up on GitHub, GitLab or Bitbucket. You can use git-appraise to get decentralized code reviews. You can use git-bug to get decentralized issue tracking. You can always send maintainers patches with the built-in send-email command as GitHub/GitLab/... require an email address either way. You can always clone and push the repository somewhere else. Most (self-hosted) Git hosting services provide an automated migration procedure for issues, discussions, etc.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Like Git x activityPub 🤔 seems doable, or where would be problems? Just something like pipeline, which creates an activity post including the commits🤔🤔

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

It's already a thing on Gitea

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm not smart enough to understand it, but maybe these sites can help you see how they're doing it:

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Forgefed looks very good, I’ll test that out 😃

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

But that is already possible right now? Using a git forge is only a convention to make life easier, not something coming from git itself. You can have as many remotes as you like.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Reminds me of this defcon talk https://youtu.be/rimtaSgGz_4?si=9uYFYGxFYA3KI0Es

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

https://youtu.be/rimtaSgGz_4?si=9uYFYGxFYA3KI0Es

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Gitea already has that.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The dev of Saikou made an announcement on the Discord about this

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

What the deuce is Chouten? I could not find a thing about it

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Question - What happens if we are hosting a Git repo ourselves, like using Gitea or something, and we receive a DMCA takedown request and we refuse? I mean, they can take down the domain, but what if weare hosting on a personal homeserver and keep changing domains whenever they take one down?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Then it's your choice to comply, call their bluff, or do whatever you want. I've seen people who doxxed the DMCA sender and made threats towards the sending agent (the hoster was Russian).

Though best course of action would be to comply or ignore it, don't do what that guy did, best to keep quiet than to stir up trouble.

Outright refusal or ignoring it does come with the risk of litigation (threats can accelerate it or lead to prosecution) assuming you're within their jurisdiction.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (6 children)

They should upload the code on an .onion page

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But hiding an onion address's IP is very hard. No?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

No. That's literally the point of it.

load more comments (5 replies)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Legally, you cannot refuse. DMCA is written such that the host must take down first and ask questions later.

load more comments (1 replies)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

God damnit

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Lol. Somebody reposted my post on reddit: reddit.com/r/animepiracy/comments/16v4jru/saikou_the_best_anime_streaming_app_on_android/

I don't mind at all and am kinda happy.

load more comments