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Anti-China Rhetoric Is Off the Charts in Western Media (thediplomat.com)
submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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[–] [email protected] 43 points 11 months ago (1 children)

International sentiment generally negative about country actively committing genocide.

More at 11.

Jokes aside - yeah? Of course there's propaganda about China. I would wager its hard to find a big international power that doesn't have some level of propaganda being spread about it by the other big international powers. But between the propaganda you still find a bunch of real reasons to have negative views toward China's leadership and actions.

  • Uyghur genocide (ongoing)
  • authoritarian rule with huge censorship of outside media I really don't need to go on
[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Can we add bellicose relations with a lot of their neighbors over the expansionist goals they're pushing?

[–] [email protected] 38 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I read this ‘article’. There are zero references towards the so called ‘China Bashing’. If it is so rampant, how hard can it be to just link to a few mainstream offenders? It alludes towards a deliberate bashing, once again without any links or merit. I am fully aware that news is hardly unbiased but come on, this is ridiculous.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Have you been following media recently or have you been living under a rock?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I have been following media intensively. I am not saying that news about China is unbiased in the western media. I am calling out the lack of any sources in this weak ‘article’

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

  1. As far as news outlets go, The Diplomat is rather well-regarded

  2. As an opinion piece, sources are usually implicit (since opinion pieces use the reader's own knowledge of current events as the context)

  3. The article points to this article for more context: https://hbr.org/2021/05/what-the-west-gets-wrong-about-china

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago (2 children)

1 I don’t know this outlet, nor am inclined to use perceived pedigree to determine the quality of news. I’d like to see sources, not news dresses as opinions. 2 Opinion pieces that try to be credible need sources or else I will disregard them as petty trolling. The title makes a bold claim, I want sources backing up that claim. 3 that ‘source’ is also an opinion peace without any sources.

Just show me where mainstream media is deliberately bashing China. If it’s that rampant it can’t be that hard right?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Again, have you been living under a rock for the past few years? You can even look at the top posts of this community.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

I’m not the one making bald claims. The onus is on the one with the claims. Just show me some sources!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Again, 🤦‍♀️

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

that ‘source’ is also an opinion peace without any sources.

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The source of that article are the authors. One a professor at Oxford, the other a lecturer at MIT. The professor's also written a book about China which is mentioned at the bottom of the article. Pretty weak argument to say that isn't a valid source. A bit like an anti-vaxxer saying an article about vaccination written by a doctor isn't a valid source in an internet argument.

Just show me where mainstream media is deliberately bashing China. If it’s that rampant it can’t be that hard right?

I googled myself, because I was curious. Not necessarily bashing, but plenty of sensationalism. For example, NBC at the time of the balloon incident:

Chinese spy balloon gathered intelligence from sensitive U.S. military sites, despite U.S. efforts to block it

Fox:

Spy balloon likely sent extensive intelligence to China, experts say. The Pentagon said Thursday it 'acted immediately' to counter a collection of sensitive information

Guardian:

China ‘spy balloon’ wakes up world to new era of war at edge of space

CNN:

Why the Chinese balloon crisis could be a defining moment in the new Cold War

Wikipedia:

U.S. president Biden ... however stated that it was "not a major breach", and that he also believed that the Chinese leadership wasn't even aware of the balloon. ... On September 17, 2023, in an interview with CBS news, General Mark Milley, the retiring 20th US chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, stated “I would say it was a spy balloon that we know with high degree of certainty got no intelligence, and didn't transmit any intelligence back to China." Technical experts had also found that the balloon's sensors had never been activated while it was travelling over the Continental United States. The general also touched on a leading theory that the reason that it was flying over the United States, was probably because it was blown off-track, where the balloon had been heading towards Hawaii however winds at 60,000 feet simply came into the equation. Miley said, "those winds are very high.. the particular motor on that aircraft can't go against those winds at that altitude."

Media: the Chinese are spying on us. Are you ready for WAR?

Reality: the wind blew a balloon of course and by now most of us have already forgotten what turned out to be a nothing burger of a story.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That’s not a defense. Opinion pieces can be fine, but if you’re claiming that something is off the charts you should probably have some charts (or any points of data) to prove the claim.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Then... Disprove it? If there's such distinct evidence that counters the article, might as well use it in your argument lol

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (3 children)

That's not how the burden of proof goes. The article is making a claim. It's on the article's authors to prove it.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Can you prove that China isn't an oppressive authoritarian capitalist state?

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 11 months ago

This article is prime "SelfAwareWolves" material...

Countering this in international media by offering more balanced views for a global audience is near impossible as censorship is rife. There almost seems to be a global compact to control the narrative, a propaganda war powered by today’s digital technology.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago

China: you can't talk bad about us!!!!

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago (11 children)

It would be off the charts in Chinese media too if they had things like free press and didn't arrest their people for posting things critical of the Chinese government.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (13 children)

Everyday people need to remember the difference between the general Chinese population and the CCP. The Chinese people are wonderful. The CCP is horrific, and working tirelessly to create their own version of hell.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I second this. I love Chinese people and culture, hell, I'm even learning Chinese to be able to communicate with my Chinese gf's parents, however CCP ≠ Chinese people.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

*Chandran Nair is the founder and CEO of the Global Institute for Tomorrow. He is the author of “Dismantling Global White Privilege: Equity for a Post-Western World” (Penguin Random House, 2022). *

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for the self-report. thediplomat filtered.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

McCarthyism's back yo! Or, rather, it never really left.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

McCarthyism has changed because now the "communists" look different and talk different and aren't white.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Here's a short summary of the linked article

Mainstream Western media frequently engages in relentless China-bashing by regurgitating trivial or fabricated stories without evidence. Positive stories about China are rare. Reporting typically adheres to three ideas - that China is a threat, must be linked to all global issues, and that curbing its rise is legitimate despite hundreds of millions gaining a better life. This betrays an imperial view that the West decides which nations participate in the global economy. The media war is powered by technology in a new propaganda era, with Western outlets assuming conflict is inevitable rather than promoting multilateralism.

Dismantling the dominance of Western media will be difficult but investing in alternative sources worldwide could provide more balanced views for local audiences.

Archive.today link to thediplomat.com

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