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[–] [email protected] 44 points 11 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 34 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I remember this one with the caption “but if you stop it it’s going to be unfair for the people that already died”

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Gotta love a suttle shame that caption has

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

An impossible decision.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

Stop judging me by how I play Rollercoaster Tycoon >:(

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You forgot the "they accept you as the creator, and you let the trolley hit anyway"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Then condemn them to endless suffering and torment if they question you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Also if they don't, but they ate a ham sandwich or wore mixed fabrics or something.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

It's just part of Your plan

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

if only it was just death by trolley... but no no.. ists actually burning for the eternity in a fiery pit of lava and ash, you know, love.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

That's what happen when you make up some entity to be responsible for everything including suffering and shits

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

God only kills people he knows will be evil

Just remember next time you see a make a wish kid that they are literally worse than Hitler

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

The Christian solution to the Trolley Problem: "Don't worry, guys on the tracks! I'll pray for you!"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Here's my take.

Whether "God" is all good, all knowing, all capable, or all something else is an irrelevant question. It presumes "God" has motivation to demonstrate any of these "all"s in a way we could comprehend, and I'm not talking about the Futurama idea "when you're doing it right, they won't be sure you've done anything at all" deal.

I mean that "God" is gone. Packed their shit up and moved on, when exactly they'd have done this is up for debate, but for relatability's sake I'll say after the ascension of Jesus.

"Jesus died for our sins.", this phrase references Jesus's cleansing the human race of original sin, the frustrated children of young earth creationists accuse this notion of "God" forgiving humanity for trying to learn things, but since the Torah is intended as a metaphorical text, I take the meaning of what Jesus cleansed humanity of as "sins of the father."

Basically, "God" made humanity, and then left when humanity gained self awareness and individuality. The point of any religion they'd have placed on earth, or any messenger they'd have sent would be to model good behaviour for the people they appear to, and then to leave those people to learn to choose to behave themselves, not for fear of punishment or for promise of salvation, but because doing the right thing in a moment is just the right thing to do, and that alone merits doing it.

So the chain of development is "God" makes the world and the beginning stages of humanity, at some point "God" takes the training wheels off by making every individual responsible for their own actions rather than to be tied inextricably to some ancestor's will or legacy or crimes, "God" leaves to give humanity the free will to choose goodness for goodness' own sake rather than out of some command to do so.

In other words, if there's a great and powerful creator, they're obviously not here to intervene for their own law, and that'd probably be by design if their intention was for us to exercise our own free will in a moral manner.

Regardless of if the shoe fits or not mythologically, I feel like the "do right for right's own sake" is a proper enough "final imperative" in a free will model of the world.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You're essentially positing the deist possibility, where an all powerful entity created existence and afterwards just left it to its own devices.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Certainly what'd make the most sense to me given how much of the observable world doesn't work in any other scenario besides one with no creator at all.

Note that I'm not saying I believe it in a spiritual sense, just that if I had to accept that a creator was responsible for the universe, that the above description is what would make the most sense to me given what can be observed in the current world.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I'm not concerned with you belief or lack thereof.

The way you explained yourself, I thought you'd find it interesting to know that such position towards the problematic of belief as a whole as a name.

Spinoza considered that was the only creator reasonable to exist.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago

Is the real riddle about not being powerful enough or smart enough to spell omniscient correctly?