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Why the Full Employment Created by Bidenomics Should Be Celebrated (prospect.org)

submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Hot take here, judging by the company, but I think Biden's doing great. He's moved the federal government in a more progressive direction than any presidential administration since Lyndon Johnson, and I'm confident with more Democrats in the legislature he could do even more.

Simultaneously, the opposition has become so dangerous that it's absolutely critical the Democratic coalition remain together. There are always going to be criticisms you can level against any leader. I certainly don't agree with Biden 100% of the time. But if you check out the other hot takes here, making Biden out to be the devil, or saying they'll never vote for him...those people are trying to elect Donald Trump again.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Biden is definitely doing much better than I expected. No question. Nowhere near the Bernie Sanders type that we need, but a pleasant surprise.

In another time, I probably would go on a rant about Boomer politics killing us slowly. But since Republicans have literally become fascist lunatics, Democrats have to stick together no matter what.

History has shown us just how bad things can get under fascism, and these Republicans are dangerous, stupid, and cruel, and stupid. And yes, I know I put stupid twice.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

In another time, I probably would go on a rant about Boomer politics killing us slowly. But since Republicans have literally become fascist lunatics, Democrats have to stick together no matter what.

God, isn't that the truth. If you told me in 2012 that Mitt fucking Romney, theocrat and corpo cocksucker extraordinaire, was going to be one of the least fascist members of the GOP in 10 years, I would have laughed in your face.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Or that we'd be happy with Liz Cheney?!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

For real - coming to the realization that Liz was basically the only adult in the room that is the GOP who was willing to take any semblance of a leadership position staunchly against, you know, conducting a fucking coup was a bit of a shock for me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I have no problem with democrats 'sticking together' as far as voting blue next election, but don't sit back after you've done that.

The seeds for fascism in the USA are the same ones that were in Germany when Hitler rose - rampant inequality and poverty leading to desperate people leading to christian nationalism, and later fascism. I hate to break it to you but a Democratic party with no one to the left of them has no incentive to fix the root problems, and every incentive to stay on the take and then escape to their favorite country with their wealth if they push it too far.

Campaign finance reform, election reform, labor reform ... pick a cause and find some friends. We cannot have a democracy without working for it. Fascism will rise in the absence of effort.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

What we need is a left-wing candidate to win a primary, and pull the party to the left the way Bush and Trump pulled their party to the alt-right

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

I'm just impressed he didn't crack down on the left first thing.

Not snark here, I had worried he would.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago

It's the #walkaway all over again, which really was conservatives saying that they won't vote for democrats "again".

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

I have to admit, I was definitively in the “they’re really gonna make me vote for Joe Biden?” Camp, but I’ve been pleasantly surprised. His work with the railroad union really solidified it, where sure, don’t love the strike breaking, but the post-strike negotiations end results was certainly a win for those same rail workers.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don't know if I'd say great, but he was considerably less disappointing than I'd feared.

Ultimately, we need an overhaul rather than incremental change - but bet your ass I'm voting Dem for every Federal office come 2024, Biden included. The overhaul the fascists promise, after all, is not one that can be reversed.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

but bet your ass I'm voting Dem for every Federal office come 2024, Biden included.

And just a reminder, why don't we all get warmed up voting in our local elections in 2023.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The goal should be zero employment. Making people work to justify their existence is the antithesis of what we've fought and suffered for a hundred thousand years to achieve.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The goal should be zero employment.

Hunting and gathering is still working to justify your existence.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

With the pretty huge difference that when they got enough for everyone, they stopped and lived life.

We on the other hand, sit there and try to find ways to complete our work day despite having completed our goals, we even work more than what the world needs, driving up profits for our masters and throwing away what isn't used. And yet we still can't feed everyone despite producing more than enough, because it would be less profitable to spread those resources equally.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Lol this is just unhinged man. You're really arguing to go back to hunter-gathering. I thought you were kidding lol

Not even worth an argument. No one is going back to that en masse.

Move to Alaska. Hunt and gather all you want.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I'm not at all saying that, but you're free to misinterpret it as you like

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yes and we should be doing less work than they did, not more.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Your life is massively easier, safer, healthier, and more convenient than theirs. Your life expectancy is massively higher. The trade off there is an interconnected and interdependent series of jobs.

You are welcome to go be a subsistence farmer or scavenging hermit at any point if youd prefer, but expecting all the same benefits without contribution is a bit odd.

There is a reason people choose even sweatshop labor over subsistence farming.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We aren't having the same discussion. I'm talking about eliminating all work, including subsistence farming and sweatshop labor, not going back to hunting and gathering.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Then everyone just starves to death.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

In 1776 years ago about 90% of the population were involved in farming. Today that number is under 2% and we have more food than we need to feed everyone. Working less does not mean producing less. It's why we don't mine coal by hand or haul goods on sledges.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

That 2% goes to 0% and we get food how?

Or did you mean you just don't want to work? Because we had that system too, up until a different American war about 90 years later

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The same way it went from 90% to 2% - automation, better land use, better pesticides and fertilizers. The same thing that happened with mining, logging, manufacturing, communications, and everything else since then.

But instead of working less - as was predicted by scientists as recently as the 1950s - we made up bullshit jobs to keep people busy, and layers and layers of management to monitor them, and entire industries of people who just skim money off of the economy.

And, yes, I also don't want to work. But why should I have all the fun? And aren't we all working so that we can eventually retire and not work? Let's just collectively skip a step.

I don't expect you to get it, though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Lol ok man

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"Full employment" is a lie...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Maybe they used speech recognition. They meant fool.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

It's not helping me or anyone I know, so...

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/promise/1575/increase-federal-minimum-wage-15hour/

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/promise/1541/increase-access-affordable-housing/

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/promise/1584/end-pay-discrimination/

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/promise/1552/provide-section-8-vouchers-low-income-families-cap/

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/promise/1583/offer-8000-tax-credit-child-care/

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/promise/1602/guarantee-12-weeks-paid-family-and-medical-leave/

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/promise/1601/make-2-years-community-college-or-high-quality-tra/

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/promise/1596/make-public-colleges-and-universities-tuition-free/

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/promise/1588/no-tax-increase-anyone-making-less-400000/

certain industries are also paying less than when Biden first took office and costs for everything has gone up sometimes doubling

Walmart is just one example paying $4 less or more than a few years ago

why should this be celebrated? links below are what we are celebrating the ones above stalled out

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/promise/1581/give-small-businesses-restart-package-pandemic-rel/

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/promise/1577/help-state-and-local-governments-prevent-budget-sh/

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

This was a well balanced article overall, considering the title. It does celebrate the low unemployment but balances it out by calling out cost related issues. Left leaning but not delusional.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Don't believe your eyes and ears! You're doing well! You're all doing so well

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Plus think of all the EXTRA jobs building the border wall will bring!

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