In these comments, People who:
- think vegetarian is close enough to vegan.
- don't realise vegan items are no longer vegan if they're for example, cooked in butter.
- want prisoners to rot in jail from the inside out, literally.
this post was submitted on 22 Aug 2023
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Some of the replies here are absolutely vile: if you're going to endorse locking people in cages for years if not decades and pretend that's a justified response to anything short of their being an immediate physical danger to the people around them, then the least you can do is accommodate their most basic needs and ethical positions.
Prisons are pitched to us as places of rehabilitation - somewhere to pay penance and right wrongs before returning to the community, better for having served the time. I think it's a deeply disingenuous characterisation which serves mainly to let people avoid facing up to the reality which is prison's purposeless and ultimately harmful cruelty, but it is the dominant characterisation nonetheless.
But, if we blindly accept the rehabilitation narrative, then how exactly do we expect to rehabilitate people by fracturing them psychologically? By forcing them to violate ethical commitments which are sacrosanct to them, by alienating them from their communities and forcing them to abide by a clockwork dictatorial regime without any semblance of comfort or dignity, by leaving them to rot miserably for years?
No, and no wonder prisons are factories for broken people and recidivism if this is how people think about them. Get a hold of yourselves.
Also, before anybody retreats to the flimsy position of "but prisoners shouldn't eat better than schoolchildren" or "but what about the poor" - yes, those people are also underserved, and we have resources available to improve conditions for all of them too. All that's lacking is will.
Last but not least, if you concede that you care about neither the incarcerated nor the society they come from and will return to in time - then there's also the question of why animals should suffer? If people aren't even worthy of being afforded their basic preferences, then why should the default be the option which necessitates the lifelong suffering of sentient beings on an industrial scale?
Seriously, develop a sense of empathy.
Glad to know veganism is more important than justice.
He doesn't have the right to be a vegan in prison. He's in PRISON. Being justly punished. When you're in prison, you don't get to live the way you want barring basic human rights, and being vegan isn't a human right, it's a lifestyle choice.
Get over that fact and take your cultists out of the thread
he's in jail, not prison. he hasn't been convicted of anything. i think it's silly, but if he wants to be vegan, he should be able to be vegan.
Semantics.
And the whole debate is asinine anyway because
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he already has PBJs and PBJs are given specifically as a vegan option.
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he doesn't have the right to be vegan when he's locked up
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you don't have the right to exploit crime threads to push your shitty political agenda.
This thread is not about you, not about vegans, and you coming in here brigading and unethically deciding the fact that a dude who stole billions is claiming to be vegan (whether that claim is true or false) is more important than justice and literally everyone else is unacceptable, get the fuck out of the thread
i can literally say anything i want. what are you going to do about it?
what political agenda do you think i'm pushing?
who is brigading?
You. Unless you think we haven't noticed you're hiding behind a debate about the importance of punishment, the viability and legitimacy of the prison system and abuses of the U.S. prison system in a situation that has nothing to do with them because you're trying to promote veganism.
Do you think we are stupid?
you’re trying to promote veganism.
i've never been accused of that. i'm usually accused of being antivegan.
you might be stupid if you think i'm promoting veganism.
i don't believe in rights, but there is no reason he can't be vegan
it's not semantics. he hasn't been convicted
Incarceration should be reserved for people too dangerous to live in society.
For crimes like what he committed, he should do community service, have future wages garnished, and be canned.
I knew one of you loonies was going to start demanding he be released.
Well, you're wrong. He absolutely should be in prison, preferably for the rest of his life along with every other scumbag who stole money out of innocent people's retirement funds, 401Ks, home equity, and every other heinous white collar crime committed on the American people by the ruling class.
You don't care about justice, you only care about what makes you feel better and that's wrong.
Hmmm, 4 hour old account with comments solely on this post? Pretty suspect.
Especially when you’re using the exact same language as another user in this thread.
You don't care about justice, you only care about what makes you feel better and that's wrong.
I’m pretty sure they even used this exact line on me. Lol any chance this is the same person, and you made more accounts to upvote your own comments and downvote those you disagree with? That’d be pretty sad.
Always accuse the other side of that which you are guilty.
It doesn't occur to you that maybe you just come off that way and that other people disagree with you? That maybe, just maybe, you're a douchebag defending terrible ideas?
But go ahead and keep playing the victim. I'm sure Sam Bankman-Fried's actual victims will appreciate you shitting all over them, defending someone who stole their life savings, just so you can satisfy your little persecution complex.
It doesn’t occur to you that maybe you just come off that way and that other people disagree with you? That maybe, just maybe, you’re a douchebag defending terrible ideas?
:irony:
And here's another little roach crawling out of the woodwork. One quick look through your post history shows I'm right -- you all ARE working together and brigading and being douchebags. When other people started giving you pushback, it angered you. And here you two are now, completely unironically ganging up on me like you all think this is Reddit because you're being called out on it.
Have you ever considered that maybe you're the baddies?
i can comment to anyone i like, regardless of who else is commenting.
calling me names doesn't make your statement any less ironic.
i was one of the first comments on this article.
Always accuse the other side of that which you are guilty.
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Jail should accommodate a vegan diet, but it also seems like they are to some extent. PB sandwiches are food. As long as he can cobble together a nutritionally complete diet, it isn't cruel to have boring meals. Obviously JUST peanut butter sandwiches won't do it but I have to think they have potatoes, beans, rice on the menu too, stuff like that.