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US military bases around China (lemmygrad.ml)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I recently saw someone cite the 'China has the world's largest navy'. So I looked it up.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/largest-navies-in-the-world

It's true if you just count 'naval vessels' because China and NK have a lot of small boats:

Top 10 Largest Navies in the World (by total number of warships and submarines - 2020):

China - 777
Russia - 603
North Korea - 492
United States - 490
Colombia - 453
Iran - 398
Egypt - 316
Thailand - 292
India - 285
Indonesia - 282

So maybe not the most useful metric for comparison of relative might. Maybe tonnage is a better metric of that?

Top 10 Most Powerful Navies in the World (by total tonnage - 2014):

United States - 3,415,893
Russia - 845,739
China - 708,886
Japan - 413,800
United Kingdom - 367,850
France - 319,195
India - 317,725
South Korea - 178,710
Italy - 173,549
Taiwan - 151,662

Taiwan even makes it on the the top ten list that way. And you can clearly see that the USA has the most massive navy by a wide margin. You can get into aircraft carriers and subs too if you want to see how lopsided these stats can appear.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thailand - 292

Did...did whoever made this consider a frigging river patrol boat equal to a guided missile frigate?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Yes

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Note that this list include auxiliary ships. China have a lot smaller ships because PLAN is a defensive navy so they build a lot of mine trawlers and short range missile corvettes, patrol boats and conventional submarines. While USN is build specifically for acting as a long arm of imperialism, therefore they have less small ships but they need a lot of huge ones. Their carriers make up for a lot of that tonnage, and their auxiliary ships also needs to be huge for the reason they need to operate on a long ranges to perform their gunboat diplomacy. Even their frigates are 4000 tons and underarmed because they need that operational range.

So yeah, USN have huge margin of tonnage advantage, but the questions is, will it be able to use this advantage vs PLAN in west Pacific, and here the answer is way less conclusive, especially that latest Chinese hypersonic missile drill point out that carriers can be as well useless.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Even their frigates "are 4000 tons" and underarmed because they need that operational range.

You haven't seen the newest frigate they're building, I take it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah i meant the Perry and Knox classes, around twice as big than most other contemporary projects (except British ones). Even the LCS which should be light ships are over 3000 tons.