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What's new in Fedora Workstation 39 (fedoramagazine.org)

submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Gnome is getting prettier by the day, I'm worried that, one day, it'll make me cheat on KDE Plasma.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I recently moved to Fedora and tried gnome first. Absolutely no thanks. I just can't get down with it, and I had numerous issues in just a few days. KDE spin has been pretty painless.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I have the complete opposite experience. I've never had a good fedora kde install. It always had issues out of nowhere. I've hopped so much until I settled on endeavourOS for over a year now. Beautiful distro

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Kinda weird how our experiences can be different like that. Hardware differences maybe?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Could be. To be fair to fedora kde, I've only tried it on a laptop that has hybrid graphics Intel/Nvidia. I now have a desktop PC that is all AMD, but I built it with EndeavourOS and never anything else.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I kind of have the opposite experience.

I use Plasma for a bit but instability, odd bugs, or visual inconsistency just becomes too much for me.

Gnome was a pain for a couple of weeks when I kept trying to use it like a Windows PC, but once the Gnome workflow "clicked" it just made so much more sense than the Win95 UX paradigm.

And it's particularly annoying when kwin crashes, because it takes everything else down with it (that's getting fixed in Plasma 6 though!) For me that's an absolute show-stopper. I don't want to lose hours of work across multiple programs because something caused kwin to crash.

5.27 is better to a ridiculous degree compared to how Plasma 4 and early Plasma 5 was, though. KDE is doing a lot of work to put the meme of their software being a buggy mess to bed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

If you don't mind me asking, was it because of the vanilla look, the customization being based on extensions (which may or may be updated for a while when a new version releases--if at all), or was it the Gnome philosophy of "One Window per workspace"?

Just curious really, I'm more of an XFCE and KDE user myself, and i can see the appeal of Gnome (and I'm NGL, it looks nice IMHO), but yeah...not a big fan of extensions breaking every version update and the "throw unused Windows in a new workspace" thing

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I don't mind the workspaces idea, but I'm just so used to a windows-like philosophy that I just can't adjust easy.

If I had one monitor, maybe gnome would be better. Workspaces could organize myself better. But I have 3, and almost never use other workspaces in KDE. And my mint XFCE laptop isn't a big work machine so it doesn't matter much.

Also I had technical issues on gnome that didn't happen on KDE.

My first distro was pop, and their version of gnome I do like. But I'm not willing to customize it enough to suit myself. I'm more of a "stock experience with small mods" kinda dude. I do enjoy Unix porn but don't have desire to do it myself. That's kinda why I'm not a massive fan of xfce. The default layout is really bad.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Ditto. I've just never found the use for workspaces myself (like, i understand why they're there but they never really worked for me). I tried them, didn't like the flow of it, so i just ignored them (and Gnome for the most part, save Pop_OS, but I've a love/hate relationship with it cuz it's always caused me problems when i try it out. Hopefully the Cosmic Desktop they're making will run better on my systems) in favor of the windows philosophy myself

Agreed on Vanilla/stock XFCE being rough (and i love XFCE), and vanilla Gnome being divisive, but i'm the opposite of you and love to tinker with my stuff--even KDE, which lools good OOTB i can't just leave it alone lol

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I only use one workspace and cycle through the programs with super+tab. IMO managing window placement is a waste of time

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Honestly same. I haven’t looked at GNOME in a while, there’s some really good improvements in GNOME 45

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I mean, can't you just make KDE plasma have the Gnome look, or...basically any look you want?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I can, but it's not the same.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I kinda getcha. Design-wise, you could get a very close copy (but I don't think 1:1. Never tried it tbf), but if we take the workflow into account, yeah it won't be 100% the same (also, QT apps can be a turnoff depending on the person)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Yeah, idk what it is but qt apps just aren't for me

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I updated from Fedora 38 yesterday, and my Asus ROG Zephyrus G15 is working even better than before. The tool for controlling the discreet graphics card is working flawlessly now, unlike before. I would strongly recommend upgrading.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Wait what tool are you talking about?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I'm talking about asusctl, supergfxclt, and rog-control-center which is a GUI front end for the previous two items. You can find lots of info and guides on it here.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Basically everything here is for GNOME, does the KDE spin have any changes to that?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Nope, nothing for us KDE users. :'(

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

To be fair, fedora 38 is already on the latest version of KDE Plasma unlike with gnome. I'm sure once we get Plasma 6 we'll see the fedora spin support it not long after.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Well isn't Gnome the default and therefore, more likely to be Fedoras focus?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Yes but that is irrelevant to their question

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I actually installed 39 fresh on a asus gaming laptop and while before I had issues with multiple drivers not working correctly, this time it was incredibly painless and I haven't has any issues with it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I bought a System76 Darter a few months ago, it had problems with the screen brightness controls and external displays on Pop_OS. Installing 39 has been a breeze with everythibg just working so far.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I dont like how gnome doesn't make buttons look like buttons. It's just text that you hope is clickable.

[+] [email protected] -49 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

First, Fedora is not Red Hat but their own community. (Although heavily sponsored by Red Hat) Second, Red Hat is FOSS.

The ones hostile to FOSS are all the freeloading companies, which used the work of Red Hat to increase their own profit, w/o contributing anything back.

If it is so easy, cheap and so much fun to support a stable Distribution for 10 years with backports for security vulnerabilities and drivers, I am very surprised that we don't have hundreads of community distributions which do this.

Finally, over the years Red Hat contributed a load of the things we take for granted now.

(Writing this as a happy Debian user. I am just tired of reading this kind of bullshit again and again and again.)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm with you on this. I've been using openSUSE since it was SuSE Linux, and I still here bs on occasion about how they sold out open-source to MS. I'm not a huge fan of what Novell did back in the day, although it did end up costing MS more money. That said the opensuse community is not whichever corporation owns SLE currently, and they still contribute back to the community.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Thanks! And I totally agree with you: We don't have to defend or like what the corporations/companies do, most of their moves I don't like. OTOH Linux would not be anywhere w/o their investment. (Sad look over to the *BSDs, Haiku and ReactOS.)

There is so much crazy good and innovative output from the communities around Fedora and openSUSE (I like what is happening with Aeon right now, very cool and innovative)... so IMHO it should be the default for every FOSS user to project the communities which produce great products free of charge from bullshiters. :-)

Cheers!

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago (4 children)

This is why I hate Linux fanatics. They think everything that isn't Foss is malware or something. I've been using Fedora for months now and it was my first time using Linux. Is probably the most modern and best working distro right now. Like it or not is amazing, and with 39 it's even smother. Never had any problems, works perfect with Gnome and nothing has ever broken. Even games play just like in windows with a bit of tweaking in proton. You should maybe try things first and not be so paranoid about Red Hat. It's a company just like many others. You think Arch or Mint wouldn't become just like Red Hat if they had the user's numbers? This world is all about money, so stop complaining and just let people enjoy

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I’ve been using Fedora for months now and it was my first time using Linux. Is probably the most modern and best working distro right now.

I'm not gonna suggest to you to switch distros or whatever. But most of the modern feeling you are seeing is just the DE, which you can use whichever one with whatever distro. As far as Fedora's own stack the centerpiece which is the package manager is actually really slow comparing with anything else.

You think Arch or Mint wouldn’t become just like Red Hat if they had the user’s numbers?

Yeah. They wouldn't. I think they actually already do have higher number of users than fedora actually. If they don't, then Debian surely does.

Red Hat is a for profit company, and their first goal will always be that even if that means squeezing you and making the experience worse for you.

Community distros are explicitly about the community and not about profit, and it works quite well.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Red Hat's business is mostly in servers and service to host for companies. Fedora is a side project at most. That's why I find it funny that people think Red Hat is going to destroy Linux or something. My point was that companies want to make money, and if a distro becomes really really popular is inevitable that sooner or later some kind of corporation will put it's hands on it.

I know Fedora is mostly just Gnome, but you can't deny it's probably the best implementation of it in any distro. I tried KDE and wasn't for me. I got used to gnome's workflow real quick, I have trouble using Windows even. And Arch is definitely not easy to install for a newbie. Idk, I guess all this drama with Fedora is just pointless to me

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

if a distro becomes really really popular is inevitable that sooner or later some kind of corporation will put it’s hands on it.

Not how it works. And more so in general if you're interested and curious do some reading on copyleft licenses. It's truly a marvelous thing and they work quite well at keeping projects open.

I know Fedora is mostly just Gnome, but you can’t deny it’s probably the best implementation of it in any distro.

I absolutely can, what. It's about the same as all other distros that don't add much or at all to the upstream version.

And Arch is definitely not easy to install for a newbie.

If you are interested in trying it some time, once you're in the installer type "archinstall". It's a default installation script that makes it easy to install. There isn't nearly as much upkeep as the memes would suggest.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I tried archinstall. It's still not easy, specially if you are not very well versed in os installs. As long as Fedora works it will be fine for me.

In any case, whatever you install will be better than Microsoft's Windows, now thats a predatory company! I'll never go back to Windows. And maybe in the future I will try my luck with another distro

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Fedora IS the most modern distro. First to adopt pipewire, systemd, enables flatpaks by default and btrfs. Probably other things I don't know. Being first is one of their core goals

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Afaik, Fedora is a free software. I don't deny that, and I'm a free software fan. I don't have any problems with fedora besides that it is too heavy for me.

It looks you also care about your freedom because you use gnu/linux and lemmy. However, it seems you have a different meaning of malware.

Softwere is a recipe. Any unwanted step is malicious. You can only determine a step as unwanted by seeing its source code.

Besides this, a softwere can have other functions that are not coming from the code but the license. Similarly they can be malfunctions. For example preventing you from modification.

So yes, propriatory software is malware. I use some malwares also, because they have no alternatives yet. But let me call them malwares.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

Fedora is an independent project