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[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Oh my turn... my goal is to drink 1/2 cup less coffee per day by 2029.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Is that a 5% reduction? Are you drinking 10 cups of coffee a day? That doesn't seem healthy.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago

it's a 10% reduction, so I'm doing twice as much and a year earlier.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That’ll definitely save the world.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Considering aviation is 2.5% of global CO2 emissions, you could get rid of all the aviation emissions and still be very far off from saving anything.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And yet they are part of the obvious low hanging fruit for reducing emissions

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Are they obvious? If they account for 2.5%, shouldn't the focus be on something that doesn't produce an emotional response (i.e. planes burn so much fuel! They bad for environment!) But is a bigger contributor to polution?

Ships come to mind. Biggest 5 polute as much as all cars on earth. Yet car electrification is brough on constantly in the discourse, when using bunker fuel on ships is met wirh silence

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They are obvious because they are rarely irreplaceable. We can live without mass tourism and fast deliveries.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I mean, we can also live with the 2.5% polution they cause

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Not really. People in developed countries need to divide their emissions by approximately ten times. Every little bit helps. And we should start with the easy ones.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Oh no, it's such a low reduction! Might as well do nothing then.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

I’m not saying “do nothing”. I’m saying efforts are better spent elsewhere as they’ll have much more dramatic effect.

Air travel should be addressed after massive emitters like industrial sources. Otherwise we’re going to greatly disrupt the lives of normal people trying to see their grandma for very little benefit.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

That should do it! Pack it up, boys.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

They keep drip feeding us those reductions… as if that would change anything. This is just to pretend that they are doing something, in reality they don’t care if the temperature increases 3 degrees Celsius or more

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Nov 24 (Reuters) - A meeting of more than 100 countries on Friday agreed to an interim goal for emissions reductions from global aviation by 2030 by using less-polluting fuels, but China, Russia and some others aired concerns about the impact on their economies.

The United States told the closing session of the meeting, which was held ahead of next week's COP28 climate summit, that the goal sent a "clear and positive signal" to the financial community, which must invest in new clean energy projects.

"Now it is up to the finance community and energy sector to support the necessary infrastructure and start delivering SAF in ever increasing quantities,” said Haldane Dodd, executive director of the Air Transport Action Group, which represents airframe and engine makers, among others.

Aviation is not directly covered by the Paris Agreement on combating climate change, but the air transport sector has previously pledged to align itself with global goals by setting an "aspirational" target of net zero emissions by 2050.

China, which has agreed to aim for carbon neutrality by 2060 rather than 2050, said the goal would "enormously increase" airline operating costs and discriminate against developing countries by posing a threat to energy and food security.

Francis Mwangi, senior planning officer at Kenya's Civil Aviation Authority, said his country needs financing to study the economic benefits of domestic SAF production and for using an old Mombasa-based refinery to produce the fuel.


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