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We need to make our cities and towns more family friendly. This is called the "missing middle" in housing, and it's why in north america all we see are either large condo towers or single family homes, which also drives our urban sprawl problems.

Almost all new large towers/buildings in north america prioritize bachelor's units 1 and 2 bedroom units. Trying to find a well priced 3 or 4 bedroom in a "lively" downtown center, close to transit and work, with plenty of schooling in the area is almost impossible. It's also a factor in why cities became so empty during the pandemic, ie. Not to many families living permanently in cities.

Here's a good article that also talks about the same issue with some different apparment layouts, and why developers don't provide adequate family units.

https://www.centerforbuilding.org/blog/we-we-cant-build-family-sized-apartments-in-north-america

This together with zoning requirements in north america is pushing most cities and developers to only cater towards large towers or single family housing.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This video is also worth a watch to see how this ties in with car dependency in cities and suburbs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCOdQsZa15o

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Huh interesting

My gut reaction was that larger apartment buildings could use space more efficiently, but this was an interesting discussion about the other details around the layout

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

His whole series is worth watching. And seriously, this post is so much more informative and less party-politics than the other post on here about that β€œwar-time” housing plan πŸ™„

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

three bedrooms exist but are way costly compared to one or two bedrooms such that people might as well buy a detached house. Then also a condo will have much less general space. basements, attics, yards, and garages mean that even a rinky little two bedroom house will have much more space than a four bedroom condo.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

You are correct they do exist in small quantities, and they do cost more then a single family home.

The reason the cost is higher is because apartment designs with a single long corridor down the middle cause a 3 or 4 bedroom coming off that corridor to usually have 200~300 sq foot more then needed. Compared to a point access layout for example where layouts can be arranged in a multitude of ways and layouts and be more efficient.

This article here demonstrates these layouts a little better then I can, it also shows how the sq footages increases as more bedrooma are added along the corridor.

https://www.centerforbuilding.org/blog/we-we-cant-build-family-sized-apartments-in-north-america

So all these factors essential drive a choice of either living in the suburbs in a single family home, or a 1 or 2 bedroom large condo towers in a city center.

The trouble with this is we are "missing the middle" housing as shown in these videos. Homes for growing families that don't want to live in the suburbs and can't fit into a two bedroom apartment tower, or can't afford the 4 bedroom condo layout.

We need homes such a 4 plexes, 3-4 level condos, laneway homes, all the layouts that are essentially illegal in north america to build.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

That increase is square footage with additions bedrooms is strange and seems a bit limited. I feel they are working under the theory all bedrooms have to have windows. We have one bedroom cooridoor condos that only have windows in the living space and the bedroom is windowless. The tree bedroom could easily have two on the left with a bathroom between them but one would be windowless and then the square footage would not need to be blown up.